New Government in Holland.

[damocles]

Moderators; HELP! Is this thing legal?

[The Rock Doctor]

1910: experimental aviation ships; automatically granted upon completion of the 1910 Aircraft (1914 models) tech.

-->HMS Hermes (the old cruiser)

1915: floatplanes; flying-off decks for wheeled aircraft

-->British packet conversions; HMS Furious as completed; Ark Royal (collier/grain carrier conversion); HMS Campania

1918: gunpowder catapults for floatplanes; separate landing and taking-off decks for wheeled aircraft

-->HMS Furious as first modified; HMS Vindictive as modified

1922: hydraulic catapults; full length decks for wheeled aircraft; arrestor wires

-->Argus, Hosho, Langley, Washington Treaty conversions, etc

1926: armored box carrier

-->Illustrious, etc

What Damocles is proposing looks to be a 1918 tech ship, which of course requires that the 1918 tech be completed before the work begins.

[ctwaterman]

The First experimental ships were Cruisers with a wooden platform for taking off laid over the top to the turretes, and stuff like that.

You could get planes to land on them because the speed of the early test planes was so slow that if the ship was moving away from
the Plane at 25Knots the plane is not doing much more then 30 or 40 knots....

[Sachmle]

So if said target ship simply had a ramp forward for launching it would be kosher?

[damocles]

So if said target ship simply had a ramp forward for launching it would be kosher?

That is a good question. Its idiotic engineering because now we have to assume that the 1919 engineers who would do this 1918 experiment that way are complete idiots given that the planes available are now 90 mph cruise and at least 45 mph takeoff, and need 150 foot takeoff runs but it seems to fit the 1910 rules?  

:( :( :(

[The Rock Doctor]

If the Dutch have the tech to do something more advanced - which they do, as they have the 1915 tech - their first ship can be built to that tech.

A general reminder for all:  In the absence of our historical WW1, with the RN's intense-by-our-standards naval aviation program in that time, we agreed that CV tech would, in general, lag behind historical accomplishments.  Pointing to an Argus or Hosho's historical lay-down date is meaningless as a result.  Our tech is not perfectly in synch with historical tech.

[damocles]

New plan!



We start with this in 1919.



After some plane crashes into the pilot house, we do this.



After some plane crashes into the funnels, we do this.

Now that contraption will get me to the Vodan which will be next. 

Note.... to self. After this line of development, this should mean I don't see a full fledged aircraft carrier from anyone before 1925!

D.     

[Sachmle]

After this line of development, this should mean I don't see a full fledged aircraft carrier from anyone before 1925!

Correct. You can't. For a full fledged fleet unit carrier you need 1922: hydraulic catapults; full length decks for wheeled aircraft; arrestor wires. At a MINIMUM of 4HY(20% Success roll) it would be 2HY/1924 before anyone could COMPLETE the Tech, and 1HY/1925 before you could lay down a ship. Figure at least 10,000t for a CV, 8,000 for a decent CVL, 6,000 for a crappy CVE, and it's July 1926 (CV), May 1926 (CVL), or March 1926 (CVE) before they're finished. 3 months for shakedown means Oct (CV), Aug (CVL), June (CVE) 1926 before they in service. So no CV battles until 2HY/1926 at least. ;)

[damocles]

After this line of development, this should mean I don't see a full fledged aircraft carrier from anyone before 1925!

Correct. You can't. For a full fledged fleet unit carrier you need 1922: hydraulic catapults; full length decks for wheeled aircraft; arrestor wires. At a MINIMUM of 4HY(20% Success roll) it would be 2HY/1924 before anyone could COMPLETE the Tech, and 1HY/1925 before you could lay down a ship. Figure at least 10,000t for a CV, 8,000 for a decent CVL, 6,000 for a crappy CVE, and it's July 1926 (CV), May 1926 (CVL), or March 1926 (CVE) before they're finished. 3 months for shakedown means Oct (CV), Aug (CVL), June (CVE) 1926 before they in service. So no CV battles until 2HY/1926 at least. ;)

In the meantime, expect stories of KoN fliers denting the smoke stacks of the KMS Mest Viering and she going in to and out of refit like a !@#$%^&*() yoyo until I get her right.

[ctwaterman]

Go for It Italy already scrapped her first Test CV because it was impractical given current tech and because it was a refitted BB and we need the BP.... ;)  And less maintenance from useless wrecks....

Im working on a new Light Float Plane Tender but I have no clue when Italia will be able to afford to build it as the BP is going to cost me a cruiser...

Charles

[damocles]

KMS Crap Fest* accidents

That is what KMS Mest Viering sort of means.

[Ithekro]

Actually, it be funny if with all these testing and problems that the world navies wrote the aircraft carrier off as a bad idea.

[ctwaterman]

Hey My rush for carrier tech was to put scout planes on my Cruisers :)  I am not wedded to the Idea of a ship for carrying aircraft into battle.   In addition I cant really see Italy needing one... Land based air assets will do my Little Empire for quite some time.

[Sachmle]

Land based air assets will do my Little Empire for quite some time.

Must be nice.

[Logi]

Land based air assets will do my Little Empire for quite some time.

Must be nice to have enough airfields on land to do good.