New Government in Holland.

[damocles]

Loopgraaf Bezem.  ;D

Personally I think you'd be better off with a PPF. :D

Do you mean the PPD-38? FN did not work in 7.62 x 25 Tokarov.  Mauser, French  and US ammo almost exclusive except what they made for the British.

The PPD was a hot SMG for 1939 much less 1919 outperforming everything except the ZHS Czech series, the Berettas and the Suomas. Best guess for what a fictional Dutch SMG would be like using Mauser (actually Madsen) export ammo and near US ammo was what I showed here. As to the durability and the stock? With 1919 sheet metal stampers and riveters as used in a locomotive works, (BRNO) that heavy thing will NOT come apart. You can use it to drive tent stakes and bash skulls. The only adjustanble stock I could think they would use that far back would be a screw type that would screw down and lock in place like the type of adjustment they used for camera tripods in the 1920s.

A PPD is just too outrageous.

[Walter]

No, I do not mean PPD-38. I really mean PPF: Pistolet-Pulemet Fedorova.

(few various bits slapped on a Thompson M1921 IIRC; stats the same as the Thompson)
Originally I wanted to slap the Tokarev(*) name on it, but with the curved magazine, it made more sense to slap the Federov name on it since the Avtomat Fedorova uses a curved magazine as well. Also PPF sounded better than PPT.
... I haven't told Blooded that I did that though. ^_^;;


(*) Vladimir Ivanovich, cousin of Fedor Vasilievich.

[damocles]

No, I do not mean PPD-38. I really mean PPF: Pistolet-Pulemet Fedorova.

(few various bits slapped on a Thompson M1921 IIRC; stats the same as the Thompson)
Originally I wanted to slap the Tokarev(*) name on it, but with the curved magazine, it made more sense to slap the Federov name on it since the Avtomat Fedorova uses a curved magazine as well. Also PPF sounded better than PPT.
... I haven't told Blooded that I did that though. ^_^;;


(*) Vladimir Ivanovich, cousin of Fedor Vasilievich.

Uhmmmmmm. The only thing that stops that from being an assault rifle is the bullet.

You do use the 7.62 x 23 Tokarov or its near equivalent, right?

I might just have to adjust my numbers up in the next version of the FN MP 2.......

[Walter]

Uhmmmmmm. The only thing that stops that from being an assault rifle is the bullet.

Got the Avtomat Fedorova for that, but I do agree that the StG 44 mag does drag it that way visually. Can't remember where I got the other pieces from. I usually have a piture of the gun and the weapons I used for it saved as well, but I can't find it.  :-\

You do use the 7.62 x 23 Tokarov or its near equivalent, right?

Most likely though I expect the Japanese version to use the 8x22mm Nambu to match my pistols. *wonders why he overlooked the Nambu pistol*
... maybe  I ought to go for the 6.5x50mm Arisaka. *runs away* :D
... though in that case it would no longer be Pistolet-Pulemet but another Avtomat

[damocles]

I don't have that tech tree. What I do have is the Madsen high power 9 x23 mm and a same length 11.5 mm (11.43 mm actually) bullet that I can step the grain burn up on and get 200 and 150 meters + respectively easily which match the MP-40 and the Thompson respectively chambered for those rounds. That will be the next SMG. I don't have the assault rifle yet. I had enough trouble finding a self loading rifle that was plausible as well as a machine gun that wasn't French or Habsburg or Italian.

The next mg though will be DUTCH. Morphed of course.

D.

[damocles]

Outside Namur near the 1st Cavalierkorp training grounds.

Colonel Geiner watches through binoculars as the experimental pantsertrupe assaults at the prepared simulated referent enemy defense. He sees the Bavarian technical advisers run around the polder like ants as the five clumsy GBW-2s slowly crawl  over man-made hills through barb wire barriers and  pioneer dug simulated shell craters toward a line of trenches in this proof of concept test.

Flagmen with bright yellow flags rush ahead of the blokkenwagens to provide moving lane markers and guidons and to scout the ground ahead for passability.

The Landmacht has yet to work out proper land navigation methods for these steel monsters and this is the stopgap simulation navigation method they use, until the Marine figures out how to transfer ship compass steering methods to this new Rikswehr landkruizer fleet. Geiner learns with everyone else here in this test just how ship-like these machines mechanically are and yet are not. They can founder, run aground, and SINK on land.  

Legerinfantier follow cautiously after the pantsers at a good distance. They've already learned that the machines will draw every machine gun's attention that the "enemy" has. Its not safe to be close to the pantsers even in a kriegspiel (the Landmacht uses the German term). The enemy artillery is keen to "shoot" the  GBW-2s too. Still half of the ten machines that started make it to the first trench-line, spray it with simulated machine gun fire and according to the Bavarian umpires who run then spiel, carry the position as the legerinfantier move up to take possession behind the pantsers.

The Bavarian captain next to Geiner asks: "What do you think?"

Geiner rubs his still bruised forehead. "Land navigation is awful. Those flag leaders would be killed in a real battle and then what? We need jagermen who can scout for the pantsers, and we need a working compass for those machines that can take the beating those machines dish out."

Bavarian captain: "Everyone has that problem. We have some ideas and some working solutions. What else did you not like?"

Colonel Geiner: "What do you mean?"

Bavarian captain: "You scowled when Number Three hung up on a slope and a 77 shot it."

Colonel Geiner: "Yes I must have. The assault is too slow, the machines too clumsy, too easy to hit and the whole scenario is just wrong!"

Bavarian captain: "What did you expect? What did you want? A charge of pantsers like the Queen's Horse Guards?"

Colonel Geiner: "No. These pantsers are not like hussars....they are more like dragoons. They need to be built and used to attack in the gaps and spots where the enemy isn't like dragoons do and where they can sneak through and get behind his front like dragoons do-not attack where he is strongest and best prepared. They need legermen to protect them from enemy legermen  and they need those legermen to be as fast as the pantsers are."
   
Bavarian captain: "Been reading a certain crazy Norman have we?"

Colonel Geiner: "And if I have?"

Bavarian captain: "Not to worry, Sir. I'm reading him, too; and I agree with him and you. We need to work on the tactics, though. The machines are not ready and will not be for years, but the tactics......that we can work on until we get the machines. And to that end I have a few ideas......"                    

         

[damocles]

MVB flash traffic to all Dutch military units and commercial traffic worldwide sent in the clear.

"Raise alert status from CONDITION III to CONDITION II. Explanation. ESC has withdrawn from its oversight role at the Dar es Salaam Conference. Warship movement detected. Radio traffic analysis indicates several nations' conference representatives have sent reports to own governments simultaneously.  Own intelligence service estimates UNCERTAIN. Plan for WAR at any moment. Own government policy as published is NONINTERFERENCE and NEUTRALITY if war occurs. Instructions as per PLAN A. Defend yourselves if attacked. Do not otherwise provoke any belligerent action. PROCEDURE G in effect. As of this moment we note New Zion waters are possibly mined. Avoid transit in those waters if possible"

Coded radio traffic.....

***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** *****

[damocles]

MVB flash traffic to all Dutch commercial traffic worldwide sent in the clear.

"Avoid all New Zion waters immediately. Honor the declared maritime exclusion zones."

Coded message:

===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ======.

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Offices of NRDN:

K: "Someone is trying to break into our message traffic."
T: "Go into one time cypher rotation use immediately. Destroy the Brown Books and use wartime procedures."

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Offices of Royal Dutch Shell.

Henri Deterding: "Its war."

van Paulsen: "Sooner than expected. Romania will cut her contract deliveries."

Henri Deterding: "For the neutrals, we will honor ours and if there is slack in the East we will make up the difference. Cash and carry!"

van Paulsen: "Except where we are excluded of course."

Henri Detarding: "I want our clear interests made known to van Rijn."

van Paulsen: "That presents a problem. He wants us to continue our talks with the Ottomans. He says it is in the national interest."
 
Henri Detarding: "Why New Zion and what do the New Swiss have to do with it?"

van Paulsen: "Oil and seapower. Ever read the Norman, Alfred Thayer Mahan? The New Swiss want a puppet state and raid bases in the Indian Ocean to attack our supply lines to the NOI. They want our oil. One of the reasons Hoen was a fool was because he took us out of Africa and cut a base link out of the long route that our tankers use when Egypt and the Med are shut down. Now with this war, the short route is closed. If the New Swiss and their puppets win..... the route closes permanently. That is what the Bavaria talks are about."

Henri Detarding: "And?"

van Paulsen: "The Iberians know it, too, but we aren't talking."

Henri Detarding: "We should?"

van Paulsen: "Plan G."  

[damocles]

More coded message traffic.

***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** *****

[damocles]

Meister Guntar Herzog stops at the Dutch consulate. It is located at Opernring 5
A-1010, Vienna. Like many a KoN businessman, he makes use of the extensive business library there to prepare for his meeting with Minister Pu Lun. Very little infomation he finds, but.....



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Where is Meister Herzog going to find a Mandarin teacher in Vienna, and where will he arrange the formal dinner?
   

[Logi]

OOC: You arranged with Phoenix? Pu Lun is under her control.

[TexanCowboy]

Well, I'm not sure I really have a choice. I mean, either way I go, it will take months longer, at least, and the RRC would be having nothing. Cutting it 75% would be the only way I could get a reasonable amount in, in a slightly altered time frame.

[Phoenix]

OOC He wouldn't dare without my consent.  ;D None of you would... if you know what's good for your mental health. (And Maddox if he knows what's good for his marital life...)

No, seriously, I'm very impressed with his ideas and activities.

[damocles]

OOC: You arranged with Phoenix? Pu Lun is under her control.

OOC.

Yes. Dutch information is sketchy at best and this is the information they have. ACCURATE information.
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Pu Lun recent photo.

MVB agent 121 St Louis, 18 April 1918.

[damocles]

The van Seik Mission.

Stay tuned for how Guntar Herzog pulled this one off!