Bavarian AC

Started by Kaiser Kirk, April 10, 2010, 05:31:44 PM

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Kaiser Kirk

I've been toying with the idea of fielding a large cruiser.

While getting into the BC size range, that's not really the intended role. The concept is that one or two of these could be the center piece of a light  cruiser squadron.  The light cruisers would fan out as raiders, relying on radios to keep in contact. If heavy opposition is met, or a guarded convoy, the raiders would coalesce on the heavy unit(s) for fight..or be bailed out by same.  Looking at the cruisers P3D just posted, it appears reasonable.

Anyhow, as I note I've finished my first turret- a twin 10" in HY1/1919, the vessel becomes possible.

Donar, Bavaria Armored cruiser laid down 1920 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   18,000 t light; 18,932 t standard; 20,931 t normal; 22,530 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   688.98 ft / 688.98 ft x 68.90 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x 24.11 ft (normal load)
   210.00 m / 210.00 m x 21.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m)  x 7.35 m

Armament:
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (2x2 guns), 606.27lbs / 275.00kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (2x2 guns), 606.27lbs / 275.00kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side ends, evenly spread
      12 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1920 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      4 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1920 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1920 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 6,135 lbs / 2,783 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 140

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.06" / 230 mm   380.58 ft / 116.00 m   10.27 ft / 3.13 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   308.07 ft / 93.90 m   10.27 ft / 3.13 m
   Upper:   4.72" / 120 mm   380.58 ft / 116.00 m   15.75 ft / 4.80 m
     Main Belt covers 85 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.06" / 230 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      7.09" / 180 mm
   2nd:   9.06" / 230 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      7.09" / 180 mm
   3rd:   4.72" / 120 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 88,738 shp / 66,199 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 7,305nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,598 tons (66% coal)

Complement:
   869 - 1,131

Cost:
   £3.976 million / $15.904 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 666 tons, 3.2 %
   Armour: 6,070 tons, 29.0 %
      - Belts: 2,957 tons, 14.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,157 tons, 5.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,827 tons, 8.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 129 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 3,517 tons, 16.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,221 tons, 34.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,932 tons, 14.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 525 tons, 2.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     24,947 lbs / 11,316 Kg = 49.9 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 17.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.560
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28.87 ft / 8.80 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   25.72 ft / 7.84 m (22.57 ft / 6.88 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      22.57 ft / 6.88 m (14.57 ft / 4.44 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.57 ft / 4.44 m
      - Stern:      14.57 ft / 4.44 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.45 ft / 5.93 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 33,440 Square feet or 3,107 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 136 lbs/sq ft or 664 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.03
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Similar to the OTL Indefatigable in battery layout, with the mid ships turrets en echlon.

The armor deck is split between a 25mm deck capping the upper belt and the main 50mm deck capping the main belt, bolstered over the magazines and machinery (since the upper deck doesn't cover ends).
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

P3D

Bulges are a very bad idea if you don't have any TDS.
Armor is too heavy. Secondaries should be in deck mounts.
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
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Marek Gutkowski

I think that you can get the 150mm on the freeboard without sacrificing to much.
Well You armour is high, I wonder what kind of role they will have.
Your plan of using them is not too my liking. I a defensive situation a early dreadnought will have a field day with them. Also two of them attacking a convoy with a single old dreadnought protecting it will not be easy or wise.

Kriegsmarine Schranhorst and Gneisenau were ordered to retreat if a convoy was defended by a QE or a R-type battleship. This ships will find themself in the same situation with a dreadnought.       
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.
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The Rock Doctor

I'd suggest a taller, but thinner, main belt for her.  The current ten foot belt does not protect a lot of the ship's sides, really.

Kaiser Kirk

A. Until Bavaria starts operating beyond the Med, I don't think they will see the deficiency in casements.  Further, with modern torpedo ranges, the elevation limits imposed by casements are still acceptable.

B. The tactical wisdom is indeed open to question. These ships could only hope to take an older DN at range, relying on low hit probability deck hits, however I am thinking that a single PD/DN can't catch a cruiser squadron, and if the opposition wishes to commit DNs to convoy defense, it's a draw on their resources. Further, if they don't provide adequate screens, the CLs could press a torpedo attack.

C. Armor. I'm not sure what the proper set point should be. The 7" of the Luitpolds could work well enough, but  The DKB with their new 9.45" and older 11-12", the Hapsburg 7.5", even the NS with 8-10" are potential opponents. I'd rather be going up to 10-11", but can't manage that well, so 9" seemed minimal.

C2. Armor height : The main belt is intended to extend 1-1.5m above the waterline, with the remainder below. The 2-deck tall upperbelt to the freeboard. This makes her pretty proof against the lighter cruisers, but allows a thick enough belt to protect against the heavier ones. I suppose I could try adding another deck level to the main belt at 7".

E. Bulges :  Bulges historically were used prior to interior TDS, they are not as good as they suck up SHP and make the hull beamier. Further these are small enough as to provide negligible depth, they actually would be of more use against near miss bombs- which isn't a consideration yet-  but have some slight value.  Incorporating a full TDS drives the vessel size way up.  Bavaria only recently figured out the concept of "TDS" anyhow.
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

maddox

She's armored up to the French 140mm guns. And that counts for a lot in the Med. 
(on the other side, I believe the French Med fleet is a laugh, and is designed to give anybody else in the med a safe feeling)

Kaiser Kirk

Well here is a re-work without the bulges and with a taller but thinner belt.
I don't like it as well, it may stop the 8-9" rounds, but it's not as useful against 11-12".

Donar, Bavaria Armored cruiser laid down 1920 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   18,000 t light; 18,897 t standard; 20,970 t normal; 22,628 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   705.38 ft / 705.38 ft x 70.54 ft x 26.25 ft (normal load)
   215.00 m / 215.00 m x 21.50 m  x 8.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (2x2 guns), 606.27lbs / 275.00kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (2x2 guns), 606.27lbs / 275.00kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side ends, evenly spread
      12 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1920 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      4 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1920 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1920 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 6,135 lbs / 2,783 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 130

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.09" / 180 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   311.35 ft / 94.90 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Upper:   4.72" / 120 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   9.88 ft / 3.01 m
     Main Belt covers 86 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.09" / 180 mm   4.72" / 120 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   2nd:   7.09" / 180 mm   4.72" / 120 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   3rd:   4.72" / 120 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.15" / 80 mm, Conning tower: 7.09" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 86,515 shp / 64,541 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 7,585nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,731 tons (66% coal)

Complement:
   870 - 1,132

Cost:
   £3.947 million / $15.787 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 666 tons, 3.2 %
   Armour: 6,244 tons, 29.8 %
      - Belts: 3,113 tons, 14.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 969 tons, 4.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,046 tons, 9.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 116 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 3,429 tons, 16.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,036 tons, 33.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,969 tons, 14.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 625 tons, 3.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     24,877 lbs / 11,284 Kg = 49.8 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 15.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.64
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.562
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29.36 ft / 8.95 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   25.07 ft / 7.64 m (21.92 ft / 6.68 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      21.92 ft / 6.68 m (14.24 ft / 4.34 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.24 ft / 4.34 m
      - Stern:      14.24 ft / 4.34 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.05 ft / 5.81 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 35,117 Square feet or 3,263 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 634 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.00
      - Longitudinal: 1.03
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Similar to the OTL Indefatigable in battery layout, with the mid ships turrets en echlon.

The armor deck is split between a 30mm deck capping the upper belt and the main 50mm deck capping the main belt, bolstered over the magazines and machinery (since the upper deck doesn't cover ends).

Average freeboard in the midships area is 5.51m - 4.38 aft of midships, 6.68 foreward.
The upperbelt extends to freeboard in this region. Main belt extends 2.5m above and 2.5m below WL.
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Jefgte

Quote...I don't like it as well...

You could made a mixture between the 1st & 2nd SS...

Built "your" Indefatigable.


Jef
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Kaiser Kirk

Well Jefgte, then she starts getting even larger :)  Earlier versions had her lighter and slower, but I decided 28-29kts was needed. As it is she can make 26knots on just the coal-fired boilers.

And I really should have referenced Von Der Taan than Indefatigable, I was just trying to use the main battery arrangement as an illustration, forgot VDT had the same and the thicker belt to boot.
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Kaiser Kirk

Well, if I ditch the seakeeping I can keep the displacement the same, while bringing a 9" main belt up 4m, so it's +/- 2m from WL, with the upper belt carrying to freeboard.
I can also bring the # of secondary guns up to 16.   Overall this isn't bad. One thing I worried about the first design is if the investment in seakeeping was reasonable for a navy that has yet to leave the Med.

Donar, Bavaria Armored cruiser laid down 1919 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   18,000 t light; 18,970 t standard; 21,001 t normal; 22,626 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   649.61 ft / 649.61 ft x 68.90 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x 24.61 ft (normal load)
   198.00 m / 198.00 m x 21.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m)  x 7.50 m

Armament:
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (2x2 guns), 606.27lbs / 275.00kg shells, 1919 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (2x2 guns), 606.27lbs / 275.00kg shells, 1919 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side ends, evenly spread
      16 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1919 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      4 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1919 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1919 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 6,532 lbs / 2,963 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 140

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.06" / 230 mm   374.02 ft / 114.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   275.26 ft / 83.90 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Upper:   4.72" / 120 mm   374.02 ft / 114.00 m   11.29 ft / 3.44 m
     Main Belt covers 89 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.06" / 230 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      7.09" / 180 mm
   2nd:   9.06" / 230 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      7.09" / 180 mm
   3rd:   4.72" / 120 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.15" / 80 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 92,367 shp / 68,906 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 7,453nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,655 tons (66% coal)

Complement:
   871 - 1,133

Cost:
   £3.808 million / $15.234 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 718 tons, 3.4 %
   Armour: 6,232 tons, 29.7 %
      - Belts: 3,021 tons, 14.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,202 tons, 5.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,879 tons, 8.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 129 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 3,661 tons, 17.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,839 tons, 32.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,001 tons, 14.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 550 tons, 2.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     24,303 lbs / 11,024 Kg = 48.6 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.27
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 15.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.36
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.584
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -12.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      17.85 ft / 5.44 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17.85 ft / 5.44 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17.85 ft / 5.44 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17.85 ft / 5.44 m
      - Stern:      17.85 ft / 5.44 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.85 ft / 5.44 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 125.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 32,247 Square feet or 2,996 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 136 lbs/sq ft or 665 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.03
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Similar to the OTL Von Der Taan in battery layout, with the mid ships turrets en echlon.

Main belt is -2m to +2m WL, with the upper belt carrying to freeboard.

The armor deck is split between a 30mm deck capping the upper belt and the main 50mm deck capping the main belt, bolstered over the magazines and machinery (since the upper deck doesn't cover ends).
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

Sachmle

Could trim it up a little. 1.27 is a little high for stability. It won't do much for seakeeping, if anything, but you may get a 1.02 or 1.03 out of it. If anything it will improve your gunnery platform making hits more likely (or one would assume). Not that 50% is unacceptable or anything, it's quite fine IMHO.

As to seakeeping for a nation who's never operated outside the Med. I'm sure that even without an operational experience you would still have anecdotal evidence from the Dutch, Confederates, Italians, etc..
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Kaiser Kirk

#11
Hmm... I don't think I've ever been told I had too much stability before :)

Adding a meter to the forecastle and setting the trim up to a whopping 69...gets me slow & easy roll and a seakeeping of 1.02, stability 1.11

edit : I thought there was something in the design guidlines about max trim, can't find it. Reworking the ship quickly, I can manage 1.2 seakeeping and 70 stab...if I deepen the draft and drop the BC to 0.494...a little low for such a ship.
Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest

maddox

Trim between 30 and 70; no questions asked about the ships. Below or above, eyebrows will be raised.

Jefgte

Quote... Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.27
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 15.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.36
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.01

...

Idem..

Hull forms & calculation are not optimum

You could have;   
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform...


Jef  ;)
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

Kaiser Kirk

Hull form is still the relatively chunky one, but this has the trim set just under the threshold Maddox cited, so gaining that slow & easy roll.

Donar, Bavaria Armored cruiser laid down 1919 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   18,000 t light; 18,970 t standard; 20,999 t normal; 22,622 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   652.89 ft / 652.89 ft x 68.90 ft (Bulges 78.74 ft) x 24.61 ft (normal load)
   199.00 m / 199.00 m x 21.00 m (Bulges 24.00 m)  x 7.50 m

Armament:
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (2x2 guns), 606.27lbs / 275.00kg shells, 1919 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (2x2 guns), 606.27lbs / 275.00kg shells, 1919 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side ends, evenly spread
      16 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1919 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      4 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm guns in single mounts, 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 1919 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1919 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 6,532 lbs / 2,963 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 140

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.06" / 230 mm   374.02 ft / 114.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   278.54 ft / 84.90 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Upper:   4.72" / 120 mm   374.02 ft / 114.00 m   11.29 ft / 3.44 m
     Main Belt covers 88 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.06" / 230 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      7.09" / 180 mm
   2nd:   9.06" / 230 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      7.09" / 180 mm
   3rd:   4.72" / 120 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   4th:   0.39" / 10 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -
   5th:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.15" / 80 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 92,003 shp / 68,634 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 7,445nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,652 tons (66% coal)

Complement:
   871 - 1,133

Cost:
   £3.804 million / $15.216 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 718 tons, 3.4 %
   Armour: 6,239 tons, 29.7 %
      - Belts: 3,025 tons, 14.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,202 tons, 5.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,883 tons, 9.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 129 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 3,647 tons, 17.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,871 tons, 32.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,999 tons, 14.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 525 tons, 2.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22,877 lbs / 10,377 Kg = 45.8 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 17.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.581
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.29 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -12.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.56 ft / -2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21.13 ft / 6.44 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17.85 ft / 5.44 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17.85 ft / 5.44 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17.85 ft / 5.44 m
      - Stern:      17.85 ft / 5.44 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.11 ft / 5.52 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 32,319 Square feet or 3,003 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 136 lbs/sq ft or 664 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.04
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Similar to the OTL Von Der Taan in battery layout, with the mid ships turrets en echlon.

Main belt is -2m to +2m WL, with the upper belt carrying to freeboard.

The armor deck is split between a 30mm deck capping the upper belt and the main 50mm deck capping the main belt, bolstered over the magazines and machinery (since the upper deck doesn't cover ends).

Did they beat the drum slowly,
Did they play the fife lowly,
Did they sound the death march, as they lowered you down,
Did the band play the last post and chorus,
Did the pipes play the flowers of the forest