Confederate Ship Designs: 1919 and Beyond...

[Carthaginian]

A sneak-peak at the Confederacy's next 3rd Class Cruiser (WIP art, sorry guys) the El Paso.
The torpedoes face aft simply because there is just no room for them to pivot in the other direction; IIRC, some OTL ships did the same so I don't feel it's a problem. She completely eschews the ancient 1" machine guns for four of the newer 1.58" AA guns. The old-style tripod masts have also been given up for a more modern setup. The forward stacks are siamesed  together to save deckspace, and all three stacks are raked aft slightly. Also to save deckspace, the four large whaleboats are serviced by only two cranes, so launching all four boats is rather time consuming.



Five of these vessels were laid down in 1st/1919, and are estimated to be entering service in 2nd/1920.
Three more are possibly planned for 2nd/1919, though developments abroad could change this.

Final stats will be posted when the art is finished. ;)

[TexanCowboy]

Gun size.., 6 5x5?

[Carthaginian]

She mounts 5.5" guns, like all 3rd Class Cruisers... but it's up to your 'intelligence agency' to guess how many!

;)

[Carthaginian]

Two new fleet support ships (merchant standard), planned for 1920 when some more build capacity frees up. They are the kind of small, mundane and perfectly forgettable ships that every Navy needs, but few people ever actually see. The CSA will also be taking orders for ships of these classes (we hope to see some takers on the oiler, especially), with the commission being decided upon when the deal is made. For a smaller navy, the tug might be an interesting purchase, as they could also serve as a patrol/ASW escort for convoys in a pinch!

TF-01, Confederate States of America Fleet Tug laid down 1920

Displacement:
   450 t light; 467 t standard; 750 t normal; 976 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   165.00 ft / 160.00 ft x 30.00 ft x 12.00 ft (normal load)
   50.29 m / 48.77 m x 9.14 m  x 3.66 m

Armament:
     1 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 25.00lbs / 11.34kg shells, 1897 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline forward
     1 - 1.58" / 40.1 mm guns in single mounts, 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1920 Model
     Anti-aircraft gun in deck mount
     on centreline amidships, 1 raised gun
     4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1920 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 29 lbs / 13 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Machinery:
   Diesel Internal combustion motors,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 2,000 shp / 1,492 Kw = 16.20 kts
   Range 5,975nm at 16.20 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 509 tons

Complement:
   71 - 93

Cost:
   £0.069 million / $0.277 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 4 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 70 tons, 9.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 253 tons, 33.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 300 tons, 40.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 122 tons, 16.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,129 lbs / 966 Kg = 66.5 x 4.0 " / 102 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 1.2 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 11.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.05
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.456
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.33 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 12.65 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 25
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.75 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Mid (70 %):      16.00 ft / 4.88 m (8.00 ft / 2.44 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   8.50 ft / 2.59 m
      - Stern:      9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.30 ft / 4.36 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 53.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 121.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,076 Square feet or 286 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 252 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 38 lbs/sq ft or 184 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.76
      - Longitudinal: 11.77
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

OY-01, Confederate States of America Yard Tanker laid down 1920

Displacement:
   1,500 t light; 1,597 t standard; 4,500 t normal; 6,823 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   310.00 ft / 310.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 18.00 ft (normal load)
   94.49 m / 94.49 m x 15.24 m  x 5.49 m

Armament:
     2 - 1.58" / 40.1 mm guns in single mounts, 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1920 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
     4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1920 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
     4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1920 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 8 lbs / 4 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 1,000

Machinery:
   Diesel Internal combustion motors,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 10,000 shp / 7,460 Kw = 19.51 kts
   Range 56,760nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 5,226 tons

Complement:
   274 - 357

Cost:
   £0.242 million / $0.967 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 350 tons, 7.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 990 tons, 22.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,000 tons, 66.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 160 tons, 3.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17,471 lbs / 7,925 Kg = 8,858.6 x 1.6 " / 40 mm shells or 4.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 2.03
   Metacentric height 5.4 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 9.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.565
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.20 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.61 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   18.00 ft / 5.49 m (10.00 ft / 3.05 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Quarterdeck (25 %):   18.00 ft / 5.49 m (10.00 ft / 3.05 m before break)
      - Stern:      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.32 ft / 4.06 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 31.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 76.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,966 Square feet or 1,019 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 519 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 59 lbs/sq ft or 289 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.91
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Desertfox]

What is the asking price on the tanker? The pro-Monarchy White Crown Line would like to buy a few to refuel its merchants.

[TexanCowboy]

Ye old yard tanker...gonna have to work on something similar....

[Carthaginian]

What is the asking price on the tanker? The pro-Monarchy White Crown Line would like to buy a few to refuel its merchants.

For the Swiss, a special deal: your firstborn daughters- ALL OF THEM!!!

[Desertfox]

So how much is that in game terms? ;D

[Carthaginian]

So how much is that in game terms? ;D

IC:
The Confederate Embassy in Phoenix regrets to inform the Swiss government that any Swiss business, concern or operation is hereby refused sale of any vessel built in the Confederacy- whether in the past, present or future and whether being sold new or as scrap- due to the Swiss ignoring the Dar-es-Salaam Agreement by shipping weapons to New Zion to intentionally antagonize Italy.

[Desertfox]

IC The Swiss government has no idea as to why they have received this message, seeing as they have absolutely no interest in buying CSA trash...

Meanwhile, the White Crown Line is very upset that the CSA choose to classify them with that rabble currently in power, as this means that the plans for a counter-coup will have to be placed on hold due to a lack of oil tankers, plus they will not be forced to double the price of Nestle Chocolates sent to the CSA...

[TexanCowboy]

(Meanwhile, the Romanian Naval Attache inquires into the price of this design...)

[Carthaginian]

IC The Swiss government has no idea as to why they have received this message, seeing as they have absolutely no interest in buying CSA trash...

Meanwhile, the White Crown Line is very upset that the CSA choose to classify them with that rabble currently in power, as this means that the plans for a counter-coup will have to be placed on hold due to a lack of oil tankers, plus they will not be forced to double the price of Nestle Chocolates sent to the CSA...

OoC:
The CSA does not differentiate between offers made by 'Royalist Forces' and 'Republican Forces' when you are making both, DF. Somehow, I seriously doubt that they would be in 'Royalist' hands for long before the Republicans would be using the tankers against them... or my allies.

Now, should the player hosting the deposed Royal Family contact me on behalf of the Roaylists- well, that might get my intrest... and my support!

As for the IC response- the CSA refuses to deal with any business headquartered in the R.N.S., regardless of it's political leanings, as long as the Swiss are making grief for the Italians in Africa.

[maddox]

Just PM Glorious France with a pricetag on 4 tugs and 4 oilers.

[Carthaginian]

The C.S.N., long deficient in submarines after being one of their pioneers, has finally made the leap of technology necessary to create boats of sufficient striking power and range as to constitute a real threat to an enemy. After many tense months of debate at the Admiralty, two basic designs are selected to serve as the basis of the Confederate Navy's submarine arm. The first, the Type D is a small design intended for work primarily in the Gulf. The second, the Type E is a larger ocean-going submarine which is intended for the Atlantic and Pacific fleets.

Type-D Submarine

DISPLACEMENT:
500t Surfaced
625t Submerged

LENGTH:
190 ft. overall
140 ft.  pressure hull

SPEED (knots)
14 kts (sf)
10 kts (sb)

RANGE:
4000 n mi. @ 8 kts (sf)
  60 n mi. @  5 kts (sb)

TORPEDOES:
3 x 21 in. (533mm) bow tubes
1 x 21 in. (533mm) stern tubes
6 torpedoes (5 fore, 1 aft)

GUNS:
1 x 2.25" firing 5 lb. shell
2 x 1" MG firing 0.50lb. shell

CREW:
23 officers and men

MAX DEPTH:
150 ft

Type-E Submarine

DISPLACEMENT:
1,000t Surfaced
1,125t Submerged

LENGTH:
220 ft. overall
180 ft.  pressure hull

SPEED (knots)
17 kts (sf)
10 kts (sb)

RANGE:
8000 n mi. @ 8 kts (sf)
  90 n mi. @  5 kts (sb)

TORPEDOES:
4 x 21 in. (533mm) bow tubes
2 x 21 in. (533mm) stern tubes
12 torpedoes (8 fore, 4 aft)

GUNS:
1 x 3.5" firing 25 lb. shell
2 x 2 x 1" MG firing 0.50lb. shell

CREW:
45 officers and men

MAX DEPTH:
150 ft

[Logi]

Hmm... actually Carth, if the CSA could churn out a design of the DD with a shorter range (hopefully for less tonnage or more weaponry) then the RRC would be interested in purchasing a few.

Also maybe the CSA could supply the RRC with some submarines?

Just PM me if you're interested.