Confederate Ship Designs: 1919 and Beyond...

[Desertfox]

A well placed dynamite ship, and it'll take Nassau forever to reach the Pacific...

[P3D]

Apparently no change in baseless Swiss overconfidence in their special* forces.










*: As in "Special Olympics"

[Tanthalas]

A well placed dynamite ship, and it'll take Nassau forever to reach the Pacific...

It would take 3 and one of them would be an open decleration of war on Rohan... not to mention damaging yourself

and in that situation you might need a fourth to deter Gran Columbia from allowing them to use their canal to eliminate the threat posed by the insane leadership of the NS.

[Ithekro]

All it takes is the right words and the right time (or wrong word at the wrong time)...or an incident, to break an alliance.

Unfortunately, the Swiss tend to be the ones to make incidents and wrong words at the wrong time to break their own alliances.  There was a time when the Swiss had a semi-decent alliance and non-aggression treaties in the Pacific and some mutual trust going around the Rim.   Then the wrong things happening at the wrong time lead to the Swiss we know (do we know them) today.  A nation I imagine few trust if things are still as they were after the First Dutch-Swiss War.

[ctwaterman]

The New Swiss started working their way out of their diplomatic hole elected what appeared to be a stable Benelovent Monarchy.   And for a few years all was well....

But now the Red Flag flys over Phoenix.... ;) ;D :o

[Desertfox]

Nah, just one. GC won't be much inclined to help Nassau, and Rohan can be convinced to be a good guy and close the canal to ALL belligerents. But anyway as far as breaking alliances, well poisoning the elected leader of your ally doesn't really help... It was the Dutch and Germans who caused the end of the Triple Alliance, after I was brutally attacked without warning by the Dragon.

Hey! It's not a red flag! (yet...) It's a black flag! ;D

[maddox]

I know what you mean DF, but I can in name of Glorious France tell you that "France" did not poison the President of the Confederated States of America.

Also, Prove it.

[Sachmle]

It was the Dutch and Germans who caused the end of the Triple Alliance

And now I'd rather be chummy with the Swiss then the Dutch. Weird ain't it? Of course with all this 'revolution' so near to home (What is it? 200nm across the strait from DKB to Australia?) we're not amused w/ the Swiss either.

[Walter]

It was the Dutch and Germans who caused the end of the Triple Alliance

Looking back at things, it was no doubt the Dutch who were responsible for that, being evil enough to trick the Germans with lies so they abandoned their ally as well.

And now I'd rather be chummy with the Swiss then the Dutch. Weird ain't it?

Seems very obvious to me. :)

Of course with all this 'revolution' so near to home (What is it? 200nm across the strait from DKB to Australia?) we're not amused w/ the Swiss either.

True, but I suppose one can live with it as long as they do not do anything stupid toward you.
I know what you mean DF, but I can in name of Glorious France tell you that "France" did not poison the President of the Confederated States of America.

Also, Prove it.

That's what they all say. :)
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Japan's "special agents" Phil and Mike driving away from the scene of the crime "incident". :)

[Desertfox]

And now I'd rather be chummy with the Swiss then the Dutch. Weird ain't it? Of course with all this 'revolution' so near to home (What is it? 200nm across the strait from DKB to Australia?) we're not amused w/ the Swiss either.

Hey! It's not a revolution, it's just elections year!  ;D The Swiss take their elections very seriously, none of that ballot stuffing/bribery that goes on elsewhere.

[ctwaterman]

And now I'd rather be chummy with the Swiss then the Dutch. Weird ain't it? Of course with all this 'revolution' so near to home (What is it? 200nm across the strait from DKB to Australia?) we're not amused w/ the Swiss either.

Hey! It's not a revolution, it's just elections year!  ;D The Swiss take their elections very seriously, none of that ballot stuffing/bribery that goes on elsewhere.

[sarcasm]
Yes but its the Executions and Assassination of opposition party leaders and supporters...  Military commanders breaking their sworn oaths to back their political party of choice oh and the Gun and Artillary Fire in the streets of the Capitol and other cities..  So we can look forward to another Election in what 4 Years...  [/sarcasm]

Quietly continues to pack up his Embassy Staff and all their Dependents from all Italia Consular Offices and Embassys and quietly awaits a lull in the ELECTIONERING so they can be safely removed from New Switzerland.

[Walter]

Quietly continues to pack up his Embassy Staff and all their Dependents from all Italia Consular Offices and Embassys and quietly awaits a lull in the ELECTIONERING so they can be safely removed from New Switzerland.

They should ask for a transfer to the Italian embassy in Japan. :D

[TexanCowboy]

Quietly continues to pack up his Embassy Staff and all their Dependents from all Italia Consular Offices and Embassys and quietly awaits a lull in the ELECTIONERING so they can be safely removed from New Switzerland.

They should ask for a transfer to the Italian embassy in Japan. :D

Dear God, that's worse.
Killan's Pit, the Iberian Inquistion....and the worst part is the Thanks. Who wants their car horse to be crushed by a thank. ;D

[Carthaginian]

Drawing (narrowly) back on target- and in preparation for the arrival of the imminent regime change in the Confederacy (after Wilson's DISASTROUS administration)- another toy... this one confirmed as to be built in it's current form. Sure, the seakeeping looks bad- until you realize that a fast minelayer wouldn't be working in high seas in the first place. She's got more than enough fire power to keep a destroyer or two at bay (and enough armor to live to tell the tale) while she has enough speed to get away from most larger vessels. A pair of these ships are planned for 1919, and perhaps more later on.

Possible uses include:
1.) making trouble for old un-friends
2.) making trouble to create new enemies
3.) spicing up war zones where our allies are fighting

She carries plenty of mines- 200 in all- because she lacks centralized fire control for her 75-pounders. As she wasn't intended to fight long-distance gun duels, it was judged an unnecessary expense in both weight and money. ;) The remaining 18 tons includes 3 tons for a large whaleboat & crane and a long-range Marconi (15t + the 10t 'free' set = 1 long-range set).

laid down 1919 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   4,900 t light; 5,056 t standard; 5,647 t normal; 6,120 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   400.00 ft / 400.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 22.00 ft (normal load)
   121.92 m / 121.92 m x 15.24 m  x 6.71 m

Armament:
     4 - 5.50" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 75.00lbs / 34.02kg shells, 1919 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
     6 - 3.50" / 88.9 mm guns in single mounts, 25.00lbs / 11.34kg shells, 1919 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
     1 - 1.58" / 40.1 mm guns in single mounts, 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1919 Model
     Anti-aircraft gun in deck mount
     on centreline amidships, 1 raised gun
     8 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1919 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 456 lbs / 207 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 152

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   340.00 ft / 103.63 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 131 % of normal length

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm      3.00" / 76 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm      3.00" / 76 mm

  - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 55,000 shp / 41,030 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,064 tons

Complement:
   325 - 423

Cost:
   £1.107 million / $4.429 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 58 tons, 1.0 %
   Armour: 836 tons, 14.8 %
      - Belts: 574 tons, 10.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 26 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 236 tons, 4.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 2,049 tons, 36.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,738 tons, 30.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 747 tons, 13.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 218 tons, 3.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,706 lbs / 1,681 Kg = 44.6 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.18
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.85

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.449
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   17.50 ft / 5.33 m
      - Mid (60 %):      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.93 ft / 4.86 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 129.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,749 Square feet or 1,184 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 79 lbs/sq ft or 385 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.25
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

[TexanCowboy]

Yeah, because I've REALLY ruined the CSA.  ;D Hey, Guinness created Wilson....all I did was make the Jap's hate him. ;D ;D ;D ;D