Confederate Ship Designs: 1919 and Beyond...

[The Rock Doctor]

Probably, yes.

[Carthaginian]

Still woefully short on modern fleet torpedo rams, the CSA has continued the progression begun by the F-class vessels. The H-class sacrifices a small amount of range and slightly rearranges the layout of the gun battery, but adds a third triple torpedo launcher to the design. Slightly deeper of draft, very slightly beamier and slightly faster, these ships are likely to be produced in rather large numbers.

H-Class, Confederate States of America Torpedo Ram laid down 1919 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   1,500 t light; 1,554 t standard; 1,800 t normal; 1,997 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   375.00 ft / 370.00 ft x 35.00 ft x 12.00 ft (normal load)
   114.30 m / 112.78 m x 10.67 m  x 3.66 m

Armament:
     3 - 4.75" / 121 mm guns in single mounts, 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 1919 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft
     4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1919 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all forward, all raised mounts - superfiring
     2 - 1.58" / 40.1 mm guns in single mounts, 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1919 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 156 lbs / 71 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   9 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 34,000 shp / 25,364 Kw = 32.01 kts
   Range 6,900nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 443 tons

Complement:
   137 - 179

Cost:
   £0.444 million / $1.776 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 21 tons, 1.2 %
   Armour: 8 tons, 0.5 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 8 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 953 tons, 53.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 420 tons, 23.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 300 tons, 16.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 98 tons, 5.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     435 lbs / 197 Kg = 8.1 x 4.8 " / 121 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.55
   Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.405
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.24 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 11.30 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Mid (35 %):      20.00 ft / 6.10 m (8.00 ft / 2.44 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Stern:      9.50 ft / 2.90 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.13 ft / 4.00 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 185.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 69.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 7,997 Square feet or 743 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 64 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 145 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.03
      - Overall: 0.53
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped

25 tons - Long Range Wireless
25 tons - Long Range Wireless
18 tons - 9x21" torpedoes
10 tons - Captain (TR) facilities
 5 tons - 15 depth charges & stern racks
15 tons - Reserve Weight

[TexanCowboy]

I think an evolution of the G-class would be better....did I post that?

[Carthaginian]

I think an evolution of the G-class would be better....did I post that?

Nah, but I know where to find it.
The G-class will also continue building alongside the H-class, with no real evolution needed.

[Carthaginian]

An experimental camouflage for ships operating in the Gulf/Caribbean theater.
It's a bit too tropical, I think, but was still fun to imagine up.
Shown gracing one of my old 'never-weres.'

[maddox]

How big would she be with the tripple 380mm turrets like on Occitanie?

[Sachmle]

That's....bright...and stuff..damn..my eyes hurt.. :o

[Carthaginian]

Mario:
No idea how big it'd have to be to have triple 15" turrets... she's of the same 'vintage' as the Nuevo Leon class. The Louisiana has always been the name of my 'Emergency Battleship' class- lighter and cheaper than the ones I wind up building, the kind of ship I'd build if I went into a protracted war and needed to get my numbers up quickly. This particular design is an early 20's refit draft, re-drawn with Guinness's turrets. Everything else is mine.

Sam:
It's meant to be the Confederate equivalent of the USN MS12 paint scheme. It's just a lot brighter because I don't exactly have the potion of picking 'matte paint' over 'gloss paint' in MSPaint.

[Jefgte]

Nice & economical concept.

I like


Jef  ;)

[TexanCowboy]

You know, for the same weight, you could arrange the turrets so that the midbreak is farther aft, Q Turret is farther back, and and the funnels are farther forward. Then, you can get four guns pointing aft, and that's always useful when something Columbian is trying to hunt you down.

[Jefgte]

...Then, you can get four guns pointing aft, and that's always useful when something Columbian is trying to hunt you down...

... I could n't imagine Cart escape  :o


Jef  ;)

[The Rock Doctor]

What're you guys talking about?  This whole CSA/GC thing is just a big ploy to secure lots of cash for fleet-building.

[Carthaginian]

What're you guys talking about?  This whole CSA/GC thing is just a big ploy to secure lots of cash for fleet-building.

In all practicality, Rock is right.

Gran Colombia could beat the CSA, but it would be expensive.
The CSA would have an uphill battle, but could get lucky.

Neither would be particularly happy with the result- which would be little more than instant reduction to a 3rd rate power for at least 10 years- win or loose. So, we sit on our opposite banks on our little lake and hurl plans and treats and both shudder at the contemplation of a real war.

[Ithekro]

Considering the third major power in that "lake" probably wouldn't like the situation either since it would probably cut off any trade movement outside said "lake" to near nothing.

One benefit for having three canals in the region I suppose is that even if there is a major war, it is unlikely that all three canals would be targeted, so in post-war at least one of them will still be functional for trade.

[Carthaginian]

Considering the third major power in that "lake" probably wouldn't like the situation either since it would probably cut off any trade movement outside said "lake" to near nothing.

One benefit for having three canals in the region I suppose is that even if there is a major war, it is unlikely that all three canals would be targeted, so in post-war at least one of them will still be functional for trade.

Couldn't do it.
Remember, the CSA owns part of that canal... we are guaranteed movement rights. ;)