What do you do with an old wrestler?

[The Rock Doctor]

I'm working on a design that incorporates the worst features of both airship and aircraft carriers:

[Jefgte]

Don't reduce GC battle line  :o

Luchador had alway the place in GC Battle Fleet.
10 years after commissioning, you could effectively change  engines & increase the speed to 26kts.
You could change also secondaries & increase the protection.
With that rebuilt, Allianza could consider Luchador as a light battleship able to help the big BBs in the line.
Place Luchador at the end of the line "ll be the new place.


Jef  ;)

[Sachmle]

Or even in a separate squadron w/ the NUS 12" BBs.

[The Rock Doctor]

Here's one approach - increased speed, oil-fired, increased deck, modified upper belt, some more miscellaneous weight.  Total cost would be ~$12 and 5 BP.



Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1909 (Engine 1920)

Displacement:
   22,170 t light; 23,134 t standard; 24,228 t normal; 25,103 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   688.98 ft / 688.98 ft x 83.66 ft x 24.93 ft (normal load)
   210.00 m / 210.00 m x 25.50 m  x 7.60 m

Armament:
      8 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.67kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      16 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      2 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.17lbs / 1.44kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 8,352 lbs / 3,788 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   403.54 ft / 123.00 m   10.99 ft / 3.35 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   285.43 ft / 87.00 m   10.99 ft / 3.35 m
   Upper:   5.51" / 140 mm   249.34 ft / 76.00 m   16.01 ft / 4.88 m
     Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.57" / 40 mm   403.54 ft / 123.00 m   23.39 ft / 7.13 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   7.09" / 180 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   5.51" / 140 mm         -         5.91" / 150 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.76" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 70,000 shp / 52,220 Kw = 26.53 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,969 tons)

Complement:
   970 - 1,262

Cost:
   £1.996 million / $7.982 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,044 tons, 4.3 %
   Armour: 9,007 tons, 37.2 %
      - Belts: 3,794 tons, 15.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 550 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armament: 2,321 tons, 9.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,129 tons, 8.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 213 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2,448 tons, 10.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,190 tons, 37.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,057 tons, 8.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 481 tons, 2.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     27,715 lbs / 12,571 Kg = 32.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
   Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.63
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.590
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.24 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28.87 ft / 8.80 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   23.95 ft / 7.30 m
      - Mid (50 %):      23.95 ft / 7.30 m (16.08 ft / 4.90 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.08 ft / 4.90 m
      - Stern:      16.08 ft / 4.90 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.41 ft / 6.22 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 161.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 41,765 Square feet or 3,880 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 155 lbs/sq ft or 755 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.05
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[TexanCowboy]

Not a bad idea. The only problem would be supply, being the only 12'' gunned battleship in the line.

[The Rock Doctor]

The Triunfantes are similarly armed, actually.

[Tanthalas]

Not a bad idea. The only problem would be supply, being the only 12'' gunned battleship in the line.

That would depend realy TC, she wouldnt be the only 12"/305mm ship in SC service.  Infact she would likley serve with the 12" ships from the NUS.

[TexanCowboy]

Then sell it as is.

[Sachmle]

Then sell it as is.

To who? The only nations that would really be interested in this ship as is would be:

The unstable Ukrainians (NPC)
The unstable Romanians (Semi-NPC/Texan)
The unstable Zionites (Semi-NPC/Fox)
The unliked (by GC) RRC (Logi...duh)
So Muslim state like Bharat, Mughal, etc.. (NPC/Guinness, most likely none high on GCs list)
Mexico (Bushranger....where is he anyway?) (Not high on GCs list)

TECHNICALLY I could buy it and add it to the New Hai Phong Squadron (Former Goa Squadron of S&G and Co.) giving me 3 24kt 12" gunned BCs to work together. Similar armour too. Hmm....Texan may have a point.

[Tanthalas]

Then sell it as is.

To who? The only nations that would really be interested in this ship as is would be:

The unstable Ukrainians (NPC)
The unstable Romanians (Semi-NPC/Texan)
The unstable Zionites (Semi-NPC/Fox)
The unliked (by GC) RRC (Logi...duh)
So Muslim state like Bharat, Mughal, etc.. (NPC/Guinness, most likely none high on GCs list)
Mexico (Bushranger....where is he anyway?) (Not high on GCs list)

TECHNICALLY I could buy it and add it to the New Hai Phong Squadron (Former Goa Squadron of S&G and Co.) giving me 3 24kt 12" gunned BCs to work together. Similar armour too. Hmm....Texan may have a point.

Rohan might (note I say might) have some interest in them, and Russia might as well.  although I doubt honestly I would as I would be faced with refiting them ontop of the purchase price, not to mention it would be an oddball (although it might give me a reason to build my proposed Vanguards...)

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Frankly, I'm tempted ...
Borys

[The Rock Doctor]

There's no harm in making offers.  The worst I'm likely to do is decline.

[TexanCowboy]

CSA offers $35, payable in H2/1918.

[Sachmle]

CSA offers $35, payable in H2/1918.

I hope you meant $3.5, not $35...is you meant $35...well...DAMN!!

[TexanCowboy]

I meant $15. CRUD, huge error.