Esc building plans 19-21

[ledeper]

first a Dd:

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1920

Displacement:
   1.499 t light; 1.577 t standard; 2.003 t normal; 2.343 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393,14 ft / 390,42 ft x 42,65 ft x 10,99 ft (normal load)
   119,83 m / 119,00 m x 13,00 m  x 3,35 m

Armament:
      8 - 4,92" / 125 mm guns (4x2 guns), 59,59lbs / 27,03kg shells, 1920 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1920 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 485 lbs / 220 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 140
   4 - 19,7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 27.259 shp / 20.335 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 9.300nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 766 tons

Complement:
   149 - 194

Cost:
   £0,523 million / $2,091 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 61 tons, 3,0 %
   Machinery: 841 tons, 42,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 522 tons, 26,1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 504 tons, 25,1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 3,7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     704 lbs / 320 Kg = 11,8 x 4,9 " / 125 mm shells or 0,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,48
   Metacentric height 2,7 ft / 0,8 m
   Roll period: 10,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,20
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,383
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,15 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,76 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 76
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      15,42 ft / 4,70 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Stern:      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   13,31 ft / 4,06 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 162,8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 145,7 %
   Waterplane Area: 10.165 Square feet or 944 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 81 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 34 lbs/sq ft or 167 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 0,85
      - Overall: 0,53
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

1220 miles @30 knts

Then a mine cruiser:

Minecruiser batch 3, Esc Minecruiser laid down 1919 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   5.991 t light; 6.197 t standard; 7.051 t normal; 7.734 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   488,46 ft / 485,56 ft x 52,49 ft x 22,31 ft (normal load)
   148,88 m / 148,00 m x 16,00 m  x 6,80 m

Armament:
      6 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (3x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1919 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 3,94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30,51lbs / 13,84kg shells, 1919 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1919 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 748 lbs / 339 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4,72" / 120 mm   314,96 ft / 96,00 m   10,20 ft / 3,11 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   1,97" / 50 mm   314,96 ft / 96,00 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1,97" / 50 mm   0,79" / 20 mm            -
   2nd:   0,79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1,97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 4,72" / 120 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 3 shafts, 48.703 shp / 36.332 Kw = 29,00 kts
   Range 7.500nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1.537 tons

Complement:
   384 - 500

Cost:
   £1,183 million / $4,732 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 93 tons, 1,3 %
   Armour: 1.499 tons, 21,3 %
      - Belts: 841 tons, 11,9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armament: 36 tons, 0,5 %
      - Armour Deck: 585 tons, 8,3 %
      - Conning Tower: 37 tons, 0,5 %
   Machinery: 1.815 tons, 25,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2.234 tons, 31,7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.060 tons, 15,0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 5,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6.833 lbs / 3.099 Kg = 66,4 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,04
   Metacentric height 2,0 ft / 0,6 m
   Roll period: 15,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,29
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,434
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,04 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 73
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Forecastle (10 %):   13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Stern:      13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Average freeboard:   13,88 ft / 4,23 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99,5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109,7 %
   Waterplane Area: 16.054 Square feet or 1.491 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 85 lbs/sq ft or 414 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,44
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Misc weight:
FC 100 tns
L/R W/L 25 tns
Mines 200 tns
Sweeping gear:25 tns

And as last "of course" a Bb:

Ocean-class II, Esc Bb laid down 1920

Displacement:
   34.997 t light; 36.993 t standard; 39.549 t normal; 41.594 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721,39 ft / 718,01 ft x 108,27 ft x 32,32 ft (normal load)
   219,88 m / 218,85 m x 33,00 m  x 9,85 m

Armament:
      9 - 15,94" / 405 mm guns (3x3 guns), 2.026,91lbs / 919,39kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      12 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (6x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1920 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      10 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1920 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 19.497 lbs / 8.844 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   431,89 ft / 131,64 m   14,76 ft / 4,50 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   3,94" / 100 mm   431,89 ft / 131,64 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 93 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,97" / 50 mm   431,89 ft / 131,64 m   29,23 ft / 8,91 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   9,84" / 250 mm      13,8" / 350 mm
   2nd:   2,95" / 75 mm   0,79" / 20 mm            -
   3rd:   0,79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 5,91" / 150 mm, Conning tower: 11,81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 74.527 shp / 55.597 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 9.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4.601 tons

Complement:
   1.401 - 1.822

Cost:
   £8,596 million / $34,386 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2.437 tons, 6,2 %
   Armour: 14.476 tons, 36,6 %
      - Belts: 4.486 tons, 11,3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 920 tons, 2,3 %
      - Armament: 2.842 tons, 7,2 %
      - Armour Deck: 5.933 tons, 15,0 %
      - Conning Tower: 295 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 2.606 tons, 6,6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 14.828 tons, 37,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4.552 tons, 11,5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 650 tons, 1,6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     47.643 lbs / 21.610 Kg = 23,5 x 15,9 " / 405 mm shells or 8,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,06
   Metacentric height 6,3 ft / 1,9 m
   Roll period: 18,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,54
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,12

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,551
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,63 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,80 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21,33 ft / 6,50 m
      - Forecastle (10 %):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Stern:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16,60 ft / 5,06 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86,0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 121,1 %
   Waterplane Area: 54.303 Square feet or 5.045 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 207 lbs/sq ft or 1.011 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,17
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

And last but not least :The first Esc Flugzeugtraeger:

Otto Lilienthal, Esc carrier laid down 1920

Displacement:
   11.507 t light; 11.816 t standard; 14.024 t normal; 15.791 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557,45 ft / 552,82 ft x 72,18 ft (Bulges 78,74 ft) x 22,97 ft (normal load)
   169,91 m / 168,50 m x 22,00 m (Bulges 24,00 m)  x 7,00 m

Armament:
      8 - 3,94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30,51lbs / 13,84kg shells, 1919 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1919 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 252 lbs / 114 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 56.448 shp / 42.110 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 8.000nm at 18,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.974 tons

Complement:
   643 - 837

Cost:
   £1,549 million / $6,195 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 31 tons, 0,2 %
   Machinery: 2.005 tons, 14,3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.471 tons, 31,9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.517 tons, 17,9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 5.000 tons, 35,7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19.619 lbs / 8.899 Kg = 643,0 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 2,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,03
   Metacentric height 3,2 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 18,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 98 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,03
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,95

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,491
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,02 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,51 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Stern:      26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   26,25 ft / 8,00 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87,4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 205,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 26.370 Square feet or 2.450 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 151 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 99 lbs/sq ft or 484 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,91
      - Longitudinal: 2,36
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

20 aeroplanes(12 bo+6 figthers+2 bo)+6 Spares ( 4 bo,2fi)

[Guinness]

Obligatory Guinness DD harping: too slow, too much freeboard, way too many guns, BC way too low.

Twin mounts need mount and hoist.

Minelayer is good though.

[TexanCowboy]

When's that carrier planned? You need 1918 tech for anything decent. Really, I wouldn't try without it.

For the destroyers, can that be cut down to 6x5? Still way over-powering, for historical, but better. 140 shells is way too little. 200 is more like it.

Battleship...really, you need more cruisers. Normal cruisers. Otherwise, you'll get a top-heavy navy, and for a nation that needs patrol ships to cut off the Greenland Pass trade route, and the Russian Murmursk trade route, you need cruisers.

[Sachmle]

I too would ditch 2 guns for more speed on the DD. If you need Mini-light cruisers I'm sure the Dutch will loan you some topedobootjagers. ;)

[ledeper]

Regarding Cruisers;correct ;forgot this:

Berlin-Hannover-Bergen, Esc Panzer-shiffe laid down 1920

Displacement:
   20.113 t light; 21.011 t standard; 22.852 t normal; 24.325 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721,92 ft / 718,01 ft x 78,74 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
   220,04 m / 218,85 m x 24,00 m  x 8,00 m

Armament:
     9 - 11,02" / 280 mm guns (3x3 guns), 669,80lbs / 303,81kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
     8 - 4,92" / 125 mm guns (4x2 guns), 59,59lbs / 27,03kg shells, 1920 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
     4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1920 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 6.513 lbs / 2.954 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9,84" / 250 mm   406,82 ft / 124,00 m   13,94 ft / 4,25 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   5,91" / 150 mm   406,82 ft / 124,00 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 87 % of normal length

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9,84" / 250 mm   5,91" / 150 mm      7,87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1,97" / 50 mm   0,79" / 20 mm            -

  - Armour deck: 2,95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 7,87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 110.798 shp / 82.656 Kw = 30,50 kts
   Range 9.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.314 tons

Complement:
   929 - 1.208

Cost:
   £4,562 million / $18,249 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 814 tons, 3,6 %
   Armour: 6.658 tons, 29,1 %
      - Belts: 3.232 tons, 14,1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armament: 1.157 tons, 5,1 %
      - Armour Deck: 2.133 tons, 9,3 %
      - Conning Tower: 137 tons, 0,6 %
   Machinery: 3.874 tons, 17,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8.316 tons, 36,4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.739 tons, 12,0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 2,0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     24.937 lbs / 11.311 Kg = 37,2 x 11,0 " / 280 mm shells or 2,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,00
   Metacentric height 3,5 ft / 1,1 m
   Roll period: 17,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,68
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,539
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,12 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,80 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22,15 ft / 6,75 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   18,04 ft / 5,50 m
      - Mid (50 %):      18,04 ft / 5,50 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   18,04 ft / 5,50 m
      - Stern:      18,04 ft / 5,50 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,37 ft / 5,60 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144,5 %
   Waterplane Area: 39.052 Square feet or 3.628 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 146 lbs/sq ft or 711 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,00
      - Longitudinal: 1,02
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Guinness]

And... the light battlecruiser trend comes full circle back to full on battlecruisers.  ;)

[Tanthalas]

And... the light battlecruiser trend comes full circle back to full on battlecruisers.  ;)

IDK if people want to build them I supose we shouldnt care, even if they are horibly out dated.

[Ithekro]

Only as out of date as their opponents make them.