Ersatz Blücher

[Sachmle]

Ersatz Blücher, Brandenburger Großes Kruezer laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   16,508 t light; 17,300 t standard; 19,940 t normal; 22,053 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   675.86 ft / 669.29 ft x 75.46 ft x 26.57 ft (normal load)
   206.00 m / 204.00 m x 23.00 m  x 8.10 m

Armament:
      9 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns (3x3 guns), 418.88lbs / 190.00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      1 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.81lbs / 1.73kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft gun in deck mount
     on centreline aft, 1 raised gun
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1918 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4,571 lbs / 2,073 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   439.30 ft / 133.90 m   15.42 ft / 4.70 m
   Ends:   1.57" / 40 mm   229.99 ft / 70.10 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -               -
   3rd:         -      0.98" / 25 mm            -
   4th:         -      0.98" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 126,000 shp / 93,996 Kw = 32.00 kts
   Range 17,500nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,754 tons

Complement:
   838 - 1,090

Cost:
   £3.442 million / $13.767 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 578 tons, 2.9 %
   Armour: 3,630 tons, 18.2 %
      - Belts: 1,814 tons, 9.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 724 tons, 3.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 999 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 94 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 4,695 tons, 23.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,256 tons, 36.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,432 tons, 17.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22,743 lbs / 10,316 Kg = 53.9 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 15.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.520
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.87 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.87 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 11.60 degrees
   Stern overhang: -4.10 ft / -1.25 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      31.99 ft / 9.75 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   27.89 ft / 8.50 m
      - Mid (66 %):      24.93 ft / 7.60 m (17.06 ft / 5.20 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Stern:      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Average freeboard:   23.95 ft / 7.30 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 101.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 34,274 Square feet or 3,184 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 132 lbs/sq ft or 646 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.54
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250t 1912 Fire Control
25t 1905 Sehendes Auge
25t Long Range Markoni
24t 12 2t 1913 50cm torpedoes
26t Reserve Weight

[mentat]

  Very nice global Grosses Kreuzer  :) - seems very similar in concept to CSA Wheeler

  my only suggestion - a few more Secondaries vs. TBDs

[Sachmle]

  Very nice global Grosses Kreuzer  :) - seems very similar in concept to CSA Wheeler

  my only suggestion - a few more Secondaries vs. TBDs

Well, it is pretty much a copy of concept. As to the secondaries, IF I wait until 1919 to lay down I'll have twin 12cm's and can go w/ 12-14. As for right now, it's either make her heavier and need a longer belt, or go w/ what she has, or go to 10.5cm guns.

[Sachmle]

Huh, that's funny. I went to 10 15cm and the weight actually dropped. Weird. Now I'm getting into space issues, but it should fit, if not rather tight.

Ersatz Blücher, Brandenburger Großes Kruezer laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   16,489 t light; 17,300 t standard; 19,940 t normal; 22,053 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   675.86 ft / 669.29 ft x 75.46 ft x 26.57 ft (normal load)
   206.00 m / 204.00 m x 23.00 m  x 8.10 m

Armament:
      9 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns (3x3 guns), 418.88lbs / 190.00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      10 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      1 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.81lbs / 1.73kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft gun in deck mount
     on centreline aft, 1 raised gun
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 0.30" / 7.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1918 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4,769 lbs / 2,163 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   443.73 ft / 135.25 m   14.60 ft / 4.45 m
   Ends:   1.57" / 40 mm   225.56 ft / 68.75 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -               -
   3rd:         -      0.98" / 25 mm            -
   4th:         -      0.98" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 126,000 shp / 93,996 Kw = 32.00 kts
   Range 17,500nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,754 tons

Complement:
   838 - 1,090

Cost:
   £3.484 million / $13.934 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 604 tons, 3.0 %
   Armour: 3,562 tons, 17.9 %
      - Belts: 1,735 tons, 8.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 735 tons, 3.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 999 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 94 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 4,695 tons, 23.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,278 tons, 36.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,451 tons, 17.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22,298 lbs / 10,114 Kg = 52.9 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 15.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.520
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.87 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.87 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 11.60 degrees
   Stern overhang: -4.10 ft / -1.25 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      31.99 ft / 9.75 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   27.89 ft / 8.50 m
      - Mid (66 %):      24.93 ft / 7.60 m (17.06 ft / 5.20 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Stern:      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Average freeboard:   23.95 ft / 7.30 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 171.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 34,274 Square feet or 3,184 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 133 lbs/sq ft or 648 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.54
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

250t 1912 Fire Control
25t 1905 Sehendes Auge
25t Long Range Markoni
24t 12 2t 1913 50cm torpedoes
26t Reserve Weight

[Kaiser Kirk]

Huh, that's funny. I went to 10 15cm and the weight actually dropped. Weird. Now I'm getting into space issues, but it should fit, if not rather tight.

You also lengthened but lowered the main belt height which saved ~50 tons vs adding the guns+armor, while adding more 150mm shells.