Springsharp files from French ships

[maddox]

As she got a refit making her up to date for 1918 the old file is stored here for ethernity.

Gloire II, French armored cruiser laid down 1907 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   11.974 t light; 12.803 t standard; 14.800 t normal; 16.398 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   523,29 ft / 520,01 ft x 70,54 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
   159,50 m / 158,50 m x 21,50 m  x 8,00 m

Armament:
      6 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns (2x3 guns), 661,39lbs / 300,00kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      20 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1907 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships, 6 raised mounts - superfiring
     6 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 11,02lbs / 5,00kg shells, 1907 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 5.997 lbs / 2.720 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,00" / 178 mm   338,01 ft / 103,03 m   11,00 ft / 3,35 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   181,98 ft / 55,47 m   11,00 ft / 3,35 m
   Upper:   4,00" / 102 mm   338,01 ft / 103,03 m   11,00 ft / 3,35 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8,00" / 203 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      6,00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   4,00" / 102 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 8,00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 44.428 shp / 33.143 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 6.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.595 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   670 - 872

Cost:
   £1,323 million / $5,293 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 706 tons, 4,8%
   Armour: 3.876 tons, 26,2%
      - Belts: 2.052 tons, 13,9%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 784 tons, 5,3%
      - Armour Deck: 937 tons, 6,3%
      - Conning Tower: 104 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 2.221 tons, 15,0%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5.020 tons, 33,9%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.826 tons, 19,1%
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15.810 lbs / 7.171 Kg = 24,9 x 10,8 " / 275 mm shells or 2,0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
   Metacentric height 3,7 ft / 1,1 m
   Roll period: 15,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,66
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0,538
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,37 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,80 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   21,33 ft / 6,50 m
      - Mid (53%):      21,33 ft / 6,50 m (13,12 ft / 4,00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Stern:      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   17,86 ft / 5,45 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91,4%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 124,4%
   Waterplane Area: 25.314 Square feet or 2.352 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 632 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,94
      - Longitudinal: 1,75
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

25 ton long range marconi
25 ton torpedo equipment
100 ton crew comfort.
Edit for Frenchification and clarification.

[maddox]

Removed from the Fleet HY 02 1919. 5 to be scrapped, 1 donated to Romania.

The biggest baddest ships in the French fleet, except for Napoleon the Great.
Danton           
Mirabeau         
Diderot           
Condorcet   =donated to Romania.       
Vergniaud         
Voltaire       

With Voltaire as latest entering service in december 1903

Refitting these ships started in 1912 and rapid advances in technology made it important to change the armament.  The casemated guns are landed, and the weight is used for Fire Control.

Danton , French Battleship laid down 1898  Refit 1912-1913

Displacement:
   14.592 t light; 15.365 t standard; 17.134 t normal; 18.550 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   449,48 ft / 442,91 ft x 82,02 ft x 27,56 ft (normal load)
   137,00 m / 135,00 m x 25,00 m  x 8,40 m

Armament:
      4 - 13,39" / 340 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.199,24lbs / 543,97kg shells, 1898 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns (2x2 guns), 634,55lbs / 287,83kg shells, 1898 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      12 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1898 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 7.461 lbs / 3.384 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   270,00 ft / 82,30 m   10,65 ft / 3,25 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   172,30 ft / 52,52 m   10,65 ft / 3,25 m
     0,61 ft / 0,19 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   4,00" / 102 mm   287,89 ft / 87,75 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 94% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      10,0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   11,0" / 279 mm   9,00" / 229 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm   0,50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12,00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 13.551 ihp / 10.109 Kw = 17,50 kts
   Range 6.000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.185 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   748 - 973

Cost:
   £1,600 million / $6,400 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 933 tons, 5,4%
   Armour: 5.184 tons, 30,3%
      - Belts: 2.380 tons, 13,9%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 1.650 tons, 9,6%
      - Armour Deck: 982 tons, 5,7%
      - Conning Tower: 172 tons, 1,0%
   Machinery: 2.186 tons, 12,8%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5.890 tons, 34,4%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.542 tons, 14,8%
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2,3%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16.854 lbs / 7.645 Kg = 14,1 x 13,4 " / 340 mm shells or 2,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 4,5 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 16,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,54
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0,599
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,40 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21,05 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      23,33 ft / 7,11 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   14,90 ft / 4,54 m
      - Mid (50%):      14,90 ft / 4,54 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   14,90 ft / 4,54 m (15,06 ft / 4,59 m before break)
      - Stern:      14,90 ft / 4,54 m
      - Average freeboard:   15,60 ft / 4,75 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88,6%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101,0%
   Waterplane Area: 26.545 Square feet or 2.466 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 159 lbs/sq ft or 777 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 2,07
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Refitted Danton class.  Removed  casemate guns and the weight is used:
250 tons FC,
25  tons large marconi
50 tons EARS
50 tons crew comfort. 
25 tons Flag facilities.
The ships ride 5 cm higher in the water after refit.

[maddox]

Long time removed from the active fleet list.

The 5 ships of this group of French Battleships are simular, but the difference in year layed down, and difference in building practice on the different yards make these ships different in small parts.

The 1912-1915 refurbisments were very needed.

Charlemange/St Louis/Gaulois, French Battleships laid down 1895 refurb 1912-1915

Displacement:
   12.930 t light; 13.601 t standard; 15.688 t normal; 17.358 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   403,54 ft / 393,70 ft x 78,74 ft x 28,71 ft (normal load)
   123,00 m / 120,00 m x 24,00 m  x 8,75 m

Armament:
      4 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,67kg shells, 1895 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns (2x2 guns), 634,55lbs / 287,83kg shells, 1895 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      10 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 6.148 lbs / 2.788 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   260,00 ft / 79,25 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   123,00 ft / 37,49 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
     10,70 ft / 3,26 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   4,00" / 102 mm   255,91 ft / 78,00 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 102% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      11,0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   13,0" / 330 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      10,0" / 254 mm
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm   0,50" / 13 mm            -
   4th:   1,00" / 25 mm   0,50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 14,00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10.701 ihp / 7.983 Kw = 16,50 kts
   Range 4.800nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.757 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   700 - 911

Cost:
   £1,352 million / $5,408 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 768 tons, 4,9%
   Armour: 4.864 tons, 31,0%
      - Belts: 2.222 tons, 14,2%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 1.601 tons, 10,2%
      - Armour Deck: 852 tons, 5,4%
      - Conning Tower: 189 tons, 1,2%
   Machinery: 1.814 tons, 11,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5.083 tons, 32,4%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.758 tons, 17,6%
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2,5%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17.547 lbs / 7.959 Kg = 20,3 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
   Metacentric height 4,3 ft / 1,3 m
   Roll period: 16,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,51
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,64

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,617
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21,49 ft / 6,55 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   16,08 ft / 4,90 m
      - Mid (50%):      16,08 ft / 4,90 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   13,55 ft / 4,13 m
      - Stern:      13,55 ft / 4,13 m
      - Average freeboard:   15,69 ft / 4,78 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 77,5%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96,5%
   Waterplane Area: 23.035 Square feet or 2.140 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 154 lbs/sq ft or 754 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,90
      - Longitudinal: 2,61
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


Refurb of the 1895 BB's. Hull scraped and new paint applied , boilers and furnaces cleaned and painted .  Engines overhauled and given a few nicknacks from 1912-centralised lubrification for example.
Coal bunkers modernised. Cruise speed raised from 12kts to 14 kts, range dropped 1200Nm.
Trim changed, rides 10cm deeper in the water, casemated guns removed and the casemates plated over.

New 70mm guns mounted in enclosed deck mounts.

Misc weight distribution
250 tons crew comfort
50 tons new long range marconi instalation
100 tons used for the modernisation on the coal bunkers and reliability of the engines- includes the augers and belts.

Iena / Suffren, French Battleships laid down 1896 refurb 1912-1915

Displacement:
   12.967 t light; 13.637 t standard; 15.688 t normal; 17.329 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393,70 ft / 393,70 ft x 78,74 ft x 28,71 ft (normal load)
   120,00 m / 120,00 m x 24,00 m  x 8,75 m

Armament:
      4 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,67kg shells, 1896 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns (2x2 guns), 634,55lbs / 287,83kg shells, 1896 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      12 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 6.127 lbs / 2.779 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,5" / 343 mm   260,00 ft / 79,25 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   123,00 ft / 37,49 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
     10,70 ft / 3,26 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   4,00" / 102 mm   255,91 ft / 78,00 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 102% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      11,0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   12,0" / 305 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      10,0" / 254 mm
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm   0,50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 14,00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12.001 ihp / 8.953 Kw = 17,00 kts
   Range 4.800nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.692 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   700 - 911

Cost:
   £1,377 million / $5,509 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 766 tons, 4,9%
   Armour: 4.793 tons, 30,6%
      - Belts: 2.164 tons, 13,8%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 1.588 tons, 10,1%
      - Armour Deck: 852 tons, 5,4%
      - Conning Tower: 189 tons, 1,2%
   Machinery: 2.000 tons, 12,7%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5.008 tons, 31,9%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.721 tons, 17,3%
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2,5%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16.576 lbs / 7.519 Kg = 19,1 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
   Metacentric height 4,1 ft / 1,3 m
   Roll period: 16,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,51
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,54

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,617
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21,49 ft / 6,55 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   16,08 ft / 4,90 m
      - Mid (50%):      16,08 ft / 4,90 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   13,55 ft / 4,13 m
      - Stern:      13,55 ft / 4,13 m
      - Average freeboard:   15,69 ft / 4,78 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81,2%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96,5%
   Waterplane Area: 23.035 Square feet or 2.140 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 152 lbs/sq ft or 743 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,90
      - Longitudinal: 2,58
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

The adaption from Ithekro's original for Nverse II.

Main differences are:
Hull length and the more French negative angled bow. 
Main belt armor, 1" thinner but longer and higher.
.21kts slower.
70mm guns are QF
100 tons of misc weight.
Refurb of the 1895 BB's. Hull scraped and new paint applied , boilers and furnaces cleaned and painted . Engines overhauled and given a few nicknacks from 1912-centralised lubrification for example.
Coal bunkers modernised. Cruise speed raised from 12kts to 14 kts, range dropped 1200Nm.
Trim changed, rides 10cm deeper in the water, casemated guns removed and the casemates plated over.

New 70mm guns mounted in enclosed deck mounts.

Misc weight distribution
250 tons crew comfort
50 tons new long range marconi instalation
100 tons used for the modernisation on the coal bunkers and reliability of the engines- includes the augers and belts.