Egyptian Light Cruiser Contest

[Sachmle]

Ma'at, Brandenburger Export Kleiner Kruezer laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   4,500 t light; 4,752 t standard; 4,983 t normal; 5,168 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.71 ft / 387.14 ft x 43.01 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 118.00 m x 13.11 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 995 lbs / 451 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   8 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   314.96 ft / 96.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 125 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.76" / 70 mm   1.57" / 40 mm            -
   2nd:   2.76" / 70 mm   1.57" / 40 mm            -
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 39,964 shp / 29,813 Kw = 28.05 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 416 tons

Complement:
   296 - 385

Cost:
   £0.862 million / $3.450 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 129 tons, 2.6 %
   Armour: 947 tons, 19.0 %
      - Belts: 619 tons, 12.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 95 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 208 tons, 4.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 25 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1,489 tons, 29.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,635 tons, 32.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 483 tons, 9.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 6.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,765 lbs / 1,708 Kg = 36.6 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 13.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.38

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.532
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.05 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.25 ft / 8.00 m
      - Forecastle (25 %):   21.33 ft / 6.50 m
      - Mid (62 %):      21.33 ft / 6.50 m (13.12 ft / 4.00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Stern:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.70 ft / 5.70 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 124.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,428 Square feet or 1,062 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 70 lbs/sq ft or 343 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.87
      - Longitudinal: 3.59
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

100t FC
25t LR WT
25t Sehendes Auge
16t 8 50cm torpedoes + 8 reloads
4t torpedo reloading gear (block & tackle, winch, extra cable for crane, etc.)
100t 100 mines
30t Reserve

[eltf177]

ra, egypt cl laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

   No drive to shaft, 2 shafts, 47,482 shp / 35,421 Kw = 29.00 kts

Got a bit of a problem here...

[The Rock Doctor]

He's left enough miscellaneous weight for oars and slaves.

[Guinness]

Two more choices from the Confederates, neither shipping mines, but both shipping two more guns.

Guns are arranged AXY, with none superfiring. I imagine X and Y would be roughly back to back.

Dropping speed to 27ish knots earns considerably more protection.

CSA Submission for Egyptian Cruiser -- No Mines, Egypt Cruiser laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   3,984 t light; 4,122 t standard; 4,379 t normal; 4,584 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.00 ft / 386.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 13.24 ft (normal load)
   119.79 m / 117.65 m x 15.24 m  x 4.03 m

Armament:
      6 - 5.50" / 140 mm guns (3x2 guns), 75.00lbs / 34.02kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, majority aft
      2 - 1.58" / 40.0 mm guns in single mounts, 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1917 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 454 lbs / 206 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm   315.50 ft / 96.16 m   13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 126 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm      1.50" / 38 mm

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 40,000 shp / 29,840 Kw = 28.12 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 462 tons

Complement:
   268 - 349

Cost:
   £0.729 million / $2.916 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 63 tons, 1.4 %
   Armour: 639 tons, 14.6 %
      - Belts: 350 tons, 8.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 17 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 261 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 12 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 1,490 tons, 34.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,630 tons, 37.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 395 tons, 9.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 161 tons, 3.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,838 lbs / 1,741 Kg = 46.1 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
   Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 14.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.26
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.99

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.72 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.65 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 71
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.06 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Mid (34 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (15.50 ft / 4.72 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.50 ft / 4.72 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.48 ft / 5.63 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 125.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 14,116 Square feet or 1,311 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 73 lbs/sq ft or 355 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.31
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

Misc Weights:
100t: Fire Control
25t: Long Range Marconi
12t: 6 Torpedoes
24t: Reserve

CSA Submission for Egyptian Cruiser -- No Mines Slower, Egypt Cruiser laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   3,984 t light; 4,122 t standard; 4,379 t normal; 4,584 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.00 ft / 386.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 13.24 ft (normal load)
   119.79 m / 117.65 m x 15.24 m  x 4.03 m

Armament:
      6 - 5.50" / 140 mm guns (3x2 guns), 75.00lbs / 34.02kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, majority aft
      2 - 1.58" / 40.0 mm guns in single mounts, 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1917 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 454 lbs / 206 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.25" / 57 mm   274.50 ft / 83.67 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   2.25" / 57 mm   274.50 ft / 83.67 m   8.25 ft / 2.51 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm      1.50" / 38 mm

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 34,000 shp / 25,364 Kw = 27.06 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 462 tons

Complement:
   268 - 349

Cost:
   £0.672 million / $2.688 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 63 tons, 1.4 %
   Armour: 874 tons, 20.0 %
      - Belts: 579 tons, 13.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 17 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 261 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 17 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,267 tons, 28.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,618 tons, 37.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 395 tons, 9.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 161 tons, 3.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,101 lbs / 2,314 Kg = 61.3 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 14.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.25
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.72 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.65 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.06 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Mid (34 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (15.50 ft / 4.72 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.50 ft / 4.72 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.48 ft / 5.63 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 14,116 Square feet or 1,311 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 72 lbs/sq ft or 353 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.31
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Misc Weights:
100t: Fire Control
25t: Long Range Marconi
12t: 6 Torpedoes
24t: Reserve

[sgdn]

dam ok fixed that and finished version 2

here is the fixed v1

ra, egypt cl laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   4,563 t light; 4,727 t standard; 5,267 t normal; 5,699 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 39.37 ft x 20.51 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 12.00 m  x 6.25 m

Armament:
      8 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns (4x2 guns), 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 2.05" / 52.0 mm guns in single mounts, 4.29lbs / 1.95kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1917 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 687 lbs / 312 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   262.47 ft / 80.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.47" / 12 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 47,482 shp / 35,421 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 972 tons

Complement:
   308 - 401

Cost:
   £0.872 million / $3.488 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 86 tons, 1.6 %
   Armour: 804 tons, 15.3 %
      - Belts: 529 tons, 10.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 54 tons, 1.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 203 tons, 3.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 19 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,769 tons, 33.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,654 tons, 31.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 703 tons, 13.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 4.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,413 lbs / 1,548 Kg = 40.8 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 1.5 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 13.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.70
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle
   Block coefficient: 0.580
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21.33 ft / 6.50 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   21.33 ft / 6.50 m (16.40 ft / 5.00 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.39 ft / 5.30 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 126.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,126 Square feet or 1,034 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 348 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.88
      - Longitudinal: 3.01
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped

Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons
100t firecon
25t big radio
25t radar or similar
24t torpedoes 6 ready 6 reloads
26t mines
50t to be used
 
and here is version 2

ra v2, egypt cl laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   4,017 t light; 4,163 t standard; 4,417 t normal; 4,619 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 39.37 ft x 17.22 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 12.00 m  x 5.25 m

Armament:
      8 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns (4x2 guns), 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 2.05" / 52.0 mm guns in single mounts, 4.29lbs / 1.95kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1917 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 687 lbs / 312 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   328.08 ft / 100.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 128 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 36,616 shp / 27,316 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 456 tons

Complement:
   270 - 352

Cost:
   £0.733 million / $2.933 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 86 tons, 1.9 %
   Armour: 911 tons, 20.6 %
      - Belts: 640 tons, 14.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 52 tons, 1.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 202 tons, 4.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 17 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,360 tons, 30.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,460 tons, 33.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 400 tons, 9.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 4.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,317 lbs / 1,505 Kg = 39.6 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 1.5 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 13.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.66
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle
   Block coefficient: 0.579
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m (14.76 ft / 4.50 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Stern:      14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.75 ft / 4.80 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 119.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 84.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,116 Square feet or 1,033 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 70 lbs/sq ft or 343 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.16
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped



Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons
100t firecon
25t big radio
25t radar or similar
12t torpedoes 6 ready
38t mines / to be used

[mentat]

nice size for a handy smaller CL - unfortunately can't sim anything right now - but noting the variety of responses - I would think max. practical firepower for this size is something like:

  10 x 5.5" 5x2 Mount with hoist with 2 superfiring - A (B)  Q(X)Y - but possibly tight squeeze

or 8 x 6"  3 twins n 2 singles superfiring (think twins superfiring too top heavy)  - so as above - but  AQY as twins and  (B) and (X) as singles

   - any other views on this?



   

[The Rock Doctor]

On a hull of 120m or less, I think four main battery mounts is all that would be practical, unless beam mounts are added.  I'm not sure a fifth mount would add much - combat with other cruisers and destroyers will not often  be a line-of-battle affair that allows the (C) or (Q) mount much opportunity to bear.

[mentat]

yeah think you're right - this is Egypt - **ffin 'ot - ditch the 5th turret and go for proper aircon instead ... ;D

actually we don't know if max firepower is a priority or not - 8 x 5.5 + plenty of TT and provision for Mines might suit better

Ciders - can we find out more their mission profile and likely opposition?

- you looking for balanced all-rounder or something more focussed?

[maddox]

Ciders - can we find out more their mission profile and likely opposition?

I have to admit, with that question it could change the whole idea.

[Kaiser Kirk]

On a hull of 120m or less, I think four main battery mounts is all that would be practical, unless beam mounts are added.  I'm not sure a fifth mount would add much - combat with other cruisers and destroyers will not often  be a line-of-battle affair that allows the (C) or (Q) mount much opportunity to bear.

Then there's the quaint and backwards Bavarian designers who dusted off pre-1906 plans who went with the 4 centerline mounts and went for casements to increase the broadside :)

[ciders]

Mission profile ? All the missions.  ;D

In fact, Egypt is a ( very ) little navy. These cruisers will me made the " vertebral column " of the fleet. Escort, sea patrol, secundary mines laying... all the possible missions for a light modern cruiser. At the end, I think the fleet will possess : 

- 2 modern battleships
- 6 light cruisers
- 10-12 destroyers and torpedoes rams
- 4-5 submarines
- 6 minesweepers
- some gunboats for the Nile
- some auxiliary ships

And for the opposition :

- at first : the Ottomans, notably in the Red Sea
- at second : a medium naval power in Mediterranean Sea

[TexanCowboy]

Me or ctwaterman? We both have our eyes on little, defenseless nations...  :)

[Sachmle]

Me or ctwaterman? We both have our eyes on little, defenseless nations...  :)

He said medium, not 'nearly non-existent'. And I think the Italians, and for that matter the Austrians, are a little more than "medium". Perhaps he means Greece. Of course that would draw the wrath of their 'guardians' the Iberians and Austrians.

[Tanthalas]

Me or ctwaterman? We both have our eyes on little, defenseless nations...  :)

He said medium, not 'nearly non-existent'. And I think the Italians, and for that matter the Austrians, are a little more than "medium". Perhaps he means Greece. Of course that would draw the wrath of their 'guardians' the Iberians and Austrians.

Damn you sam I was about to type that...

[Sachmle]

Me or ctwaterman? We both have our eyes on little, defenseless nations...  :)

He said medium, not 'nearly non-existent'. And I think the Italians, and for that matter the Austrians, are a little more than "medium". Perhaps he means Greece. Of course that would draw the wrath of their 'guardians' the Iberians and Austrians.

Damn you sam I was about to type that...

LOL