Egyptian Light Cruiser Contest

[ciders]

The Kingdom of Egypt needs to renew his fleet of cruisers. Our conditions are the following ones :

- Max of 4500 tons of light displacement
- the ship can use drydock of Type 1
- main guns in twin turrets, at least 127 mm
- at least 28 knots

The winner of the contest can hope to sell to Egypt from four to six ships. These ships will be used in Red Sea and Mediterranean Sea.

[maddox]

Twin turrets is a tall order, and not seen in 5" versions as far as I know.

[ciders]

So single turrets.  :)

[TexanCowboy]

Still very difficult. The designs I'm working on have awful seakeeping with turrets.

[Sachmle]

Turrets for single 5" guns is pointless, mounts is fine.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   4,500 t light; 4,752 t standard; 4,985 t normal; 5,171 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.71 ft / 387.14 ft x 38.71 ft x 20.67 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 118.00 m x 11.80 m  x 6.30 m

Armament:
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 995 lbs / 451 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   4 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   251.64 ft / 76.70 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   0.98" / 25 mm   135.50 ft / 41.30 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   4.72" / 120 mm   2.95" / 75 mm            -
   2nd:   4.72" / 120 mm   2.95" / 75 mm            -
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 40,000 shp / 29,840 Kw = 28.06 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 419 tons

Complement:
   296 - 385

Cost:
   £0.863 million / $3.451 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 129 tons, 2.6 %
   Armour: 1,152 tons, 23.1 %
      - Belts: 557 tons, 11.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 172 tons, 3.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 386 tons, 7.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 37 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 1,490 tons, 29.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,429 tons, 28.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 485 tons, 9.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 6.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,215 lbs / 1,458 Kg = 31.2 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 1.4 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 13.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.563
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.05 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.25 ft / 8.00 m
      - Forecastle (25 %):   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Mid (60 %):      18.04 ft / 5.50 m (9.84 ft / 3.00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Stern:      9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.58 ft / 4.75 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 124.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 86.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,590 Square feet or 984 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 68 lbs/sq ft or 331 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.44
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped

[ledeper]

Aswan, Egypt Ligth Cruiser laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   3.310 t light; 3.413 t standard; 3.610 t normal; 3.768 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393,60 ft / 390,42 ft x 45,93 ft x 16,40 ft (normal load)
   119,97 m / 119,00 m x 14,00 m  x 5,00 m

Armament:
      6 - 4,92" / 125 mm guns (3x2 guns), 59,59lbs / 27,03kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 365 lbs / 166 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 21,0" / 533,4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,94" / 100 mm   309,55 ft / 94,35 m   9,78 ft / 2,98 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   1,97" / 50 mm   309,55 ft / 94,35 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,98" / 25 mm   0,98" / 25 mm            -

   - Conning tower: 3,94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 3 shafts, 30.808 shp / 22.983 Kw = 28,00 kts
   Range 3.500nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 355 tons

Complement:
   232 - 302

Cost:
   £0,573 million / $2,290 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 46 tons, 1,3 %
   Armour: 721 tons, 20,0 %
      - Belts: 682 tons, 18,9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armament: 20 tons, 0,6 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Conning Tower: 20 tons, 0,6 %
   Machinery: 1.148 tons, 31,8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.220 tons, 33,8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 300 tons, 8,3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 175 tons, 4,8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3.243 lbs / 1.471 Kg = 54,4 x 4,9 " / 125 mm shells or 0,8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,28
   Metacentric height 2,4 ft / 0,7 m
   Roll period: 12,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,09
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,430
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,76 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18,04 ft / 5,50 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Stern:      13,78 ft / 4,20 m
      - Average freeboard:   14,12 ft / 4,30 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 118,3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 107,8 %
   Waterplane Area: 11.257 Square feet or 1.046 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 67 lbs/sq ft or 326 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,94
      - Longitudinal: 1,75
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate



Misc We:
FC 100 t
L/RW/L25t
Miines 50 t

[maddox]

The large one.

Horus, Egyptian protected cruiser laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   4.493 t light; 4.676 t standard; 5.251 t normal; 5.710 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393,70 ft / 390,42 ft x 49,21 ft x 18,54 ft (normal load)
   120,00 m / 119,00 m x 15,00 m  x 5,65 m

Armament:
      10 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns (5x2 guns), 55,12lbs / 25,00kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
      4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 557 lbs / 253 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   6 - 21,0" / 533,4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,00" / 76 mm   326,00 ft / 99,36 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 128% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   2nd:   0,50" / 13 mm   0,50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 3,00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 41.280 shp / 30.795 Kw = 28,00 kts
   Range 6.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1.034 tons

Complement:
   307 - 400

Cost:
   £0,878 million / $3,511 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 79 tons, 1,5%
   Armour: 908 tons, 17,3%
      - Belts: 476 tons, 9,1%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 52 tons, 1,0%
      - Armour Deck: 360 tons, 6,9%
      - Conning Tower: 20 tons, 0,4%
   Machinery: 1.538 tons, 29,3%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.798 tons, 34,2%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 758 tons, 14,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 170 tons, 3,2%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5.195 lbs / 2.357 Kg = 83,1 x 5,0 " / 127 mm shells or 1,0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
   Metacentric height 2,1 ft / 0,6 m
   Roll period: 14,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,36
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,17

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,516
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,93 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,76 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25,43 ft / 7,75 m
      - Forecastle (12%):   18,70 ft / 5,70 m
      - Mid (50%):      18,37 ft / 5,60 m
      - Quarterdeck (5%):   18,37 ft / 5,60 m
      - Stern:      18,37 ft / 5,60 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,80 ft / 5,73 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 110,9%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116,7%
   Waterplane Area: 12.991 Square feet or 1.207 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 77 lbs/sq ft or 378 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,89
      - Longitudinal: 2,87
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

100 ton FC
12 ton Torpedo's
25 ton Long range marconi
20 ton Depth charges in 3  stern racks.

13 ton reserve.

The small one.

Aton, Egyptian light cruiser laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   2.996 t light; 3.096 t standard; 3.408 t normal; 3.657 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393,70 ft / 390,42 ft x 45,93 ft x 13,94 ft (normal load)
   120,00 m / 119,00 m x 14,00 m  x 4,25 m

Armament:
     6 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns (3x2 guns), 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
     4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 381 lbs / 173 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2,00" / 51 mm   304,53 ft / 92,82 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 120% of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm

  - Armour deck: 1,00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 30.536 shp / 22.780 Kw = 28,00 kts
   Range 3.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 560 tons

Complement:
   222 - 289

Cost:
   £0,553 million / $2,212 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 48 tons, 1,4%
   Armour: 445 tons, 13,1%
      - Belts: 199 tons, 5,8%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 30 tons, 0,9%
      - Armour Deck: 217 tons, 6,4%
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0%
   Machinery: 1.138 tons, 33,4%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.306 tons, 38,3%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 412 tons, 12,1%
   Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 1,8%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3.061 lbs / 1.389 Kg = 49,0 x 5,0 " / 127 mm shells or 0,8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17
   Metacentric height 2,1 ft / 0,6 m
   Roll period: 13,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,26
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0,477
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,76 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22,31 ft / 6,80 m
      - Forecastle (16%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Mid (60%):      14,11 ft / 4,30 m
      - Quarterdeck (6%):   9,84 ft / 3,00 m (14,11 ft / 4,30 m before break)
      - Stern:      9,84 ft / 3,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   15,10 ft / 4,60 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121,1%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127,5%
   Waterplane Area: 11.704 Square feet or 1.087 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 346 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,94
      - Longitudinal: 1,69
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform


8 ton torpedo's  1 set in the midship tubes, 1 set spares.
25 tons long range marconi

17 ton reserve.

[Nobody]

Very rough and quick try (I have no capacity to build them anyway).
It has turrets and I could build them (at least the turrets, I don't think I have the necessary cruiser tech tough).
But take a look... they are not advisable:

Nil, Orange (Egypt) light cruiser laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   4.500 t light; 4.636 t standard; 5.239 t normal; 5.720 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393,56 ft / 387,14 ft x 52,49 ft x 18,04 ft (normal load)
   119,96 m / 118,00 m x 16,00 m  x 5,50 m

Armament:
      6 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns (3x2 guns), 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
      6 - 1,00" / 25,4 mm guns in single mounts, 0,50lbs / 0,23kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 378 lbs / 171 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 21,0" / 533,4 mm above water torpedoes, 2 - 21,0" / 533,4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1,97" / 50 mm   285,43 ft / 87,00 m   10,17 ft / 3,10 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 113% of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1,97" / 50 mm   1,18" / 30 mm      1,97" / 50 mm

   - Armour deck: 1,18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 1,97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 44.800 shp / 33.421 Kw = 28,50 kts
   Range 5.320nm at 15,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1.084 tons

Complement:
   307 - 400

Cost:
   £0,862 million / $3,447 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 47 tons, 0,9%
   Armour: 632 tons, 12,1%
      - Belts: 239 tons, 4,6%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 85 tons, 1,6%
      - Armour Deck: 296 tons, 5,6%
      - Conning Tower: 13 tons, 0,2%
   Machinery: 1.669 tons, 31,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.952 tons, 37,3%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 739 tons, 14,1%
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 3,8%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5.050 lbs / 2.291 Kg = 80,8 x 5,0 " / 127 mm shells or 0,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19
   Metacentric height 2,6 ft / 0,8 m
   Roll period: 13,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 68 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,20
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,35

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0,500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,38 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2,92 ft / 0,89 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28,54 ft / 8,70 m
      - Forecastle (25%):   25,26 ft / 7,70 m
      - Mid (50%):      24,61 ft / 7,50 m (17,06 ft / 5,20 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20%):   17,06 ft / 5,20 m
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,67 ft / 6,61 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 119,6%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 138,1%
   Waterplane Area: 13.540 Square feet or 1.258 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 78 lbs/sq ft or 379 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,86
      - Longitudinal: 3,97
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Freeboard was designed for 1.2 at 30 knots but the ship was too small for that.

[TexanCowboy]

Very Unadvisible. That is basically a smaller, slower, San Diego class. Isn't that getting a little ahead of ourselves?

[Logi]

Yup, unadvisable.

No point to the turrets at this point in time. Not to mention...

Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

Armour is not enough, already too many AA guns, and the armament is too light.

The armor and armament might be enough for a DD, but not a cruiser of this size.

[TexanCowboy]

Well, depends on the armerment, not the turrets. If he wants a ship that can outrun torpedoes, go for it.

[Guinness]

Maybe something like this? I think 28 knots is costing us quite a bit here too. 27 probably would work better...

The Egyptians already have a lot of Confederate hardware too.

CSA Submission for Egyptian Cruiser, Egypt Cruiser laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   4,000 t light; 4,122 t standard; 4,379 t normal; 4,584 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.00 ft / 386.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 13.24 ft (normal load)
   119.79 m / 117.65 m x 15.24 m  x 4.03 m

Armament:
     4 - 5.50" / 140 mm guns (2x2 guns), 75.00lbs / 34.02kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 - 1.58" / 40.0 mm guns in single mounts, 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     8 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1917 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 304 lbs / 138 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm   312.50 ft / 95.25 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 125 % of normal length

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm      1.50" / 38 mm

  - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 40,000 shp / 29,840 Kw = 28.12 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 462 tons

Complement:
   268 - 349

Cost:
   £0.698 million / $2.793 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 42 tons, 1.0 %
   Armour: 618 tons, 14.1 %
      - Belts: 334 tons, 7.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 11 tons, 0.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 261 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 12 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 1,490 tons, 34.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,589 tons, 36.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 379 tons, 8.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 261 tons, 6.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,882 lbs / 1,761 Kg = 46.7 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 2.1 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 14.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.18
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.72 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.65 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 72
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.06 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Mid (34 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (15.50 ft / 4.72 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.50 ft / 4.72 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.48 ft / 5.63 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 124.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 14,116 Square feet or 1,311 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 346 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.29
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Misc Weights:
100t: Fire Control
100t: Mines
25t: Long Range Marconi
12t: 6 Torpedoes
24t: Reserve

[maddox]

Dusted off an old desing, and tweaked it untill the stem dropped off.

Obus G, French export Tin Clad cruiser laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   2.997 t light; 3.131 t standard; 3.590 t normal; 3.957 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393,70 ft / 390,42 ft x 42,65 ft x 18,80 ft (normal load)
   120,00 m / 119,00 m x 13,00 m  x 5,73 m

Armament:
      8 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (4x2 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 747 lbs / 339 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 21,0" / 533,4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1,50" / 38 mm   314,29 ft / 95,80 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 124% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   2nd:   0,50" / 13 mm   0,50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 0,50" / 13 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 30.093 shp / 22.450 Kw = 28,00 kts
   Range 6.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 826 tons

Complement:
   231 - 301

Cost:
   £0,666 million / $2,663 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 84 tons, 2,4%
   Armour: 292 tons, 8,1%
      - Belts: 152 tons, 4,2%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 45 tons, 1,3%
      - Armour Deck: 95 tons, 2,6%
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0%
   Machinery: 1.121 tons, 31,2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.369 tons, 38,1%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 593 tons, 16,5%
   Miscellaneous weights: 130 tons, 3,6%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2.515 lbs / 1.141 Kg = 30,0 x 5,5 " / 140 mm shells or 0,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,07
   Metacentric height 1,6 ft / 0,5 m
   Roll period: 14,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,60
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,401
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,15 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,76 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21,65 ft / 6,60 m
      - Forecastle (13%):   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (7%):   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Stern:      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   13,55 ft / 4,13 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 123,5%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 83,4%
   Waterplane Area: 10.258 Square feet or 953 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 77 lbs/sq ft or 374 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 2,02
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

100 ton FC
12 ton Torpedo's

18 ton reserve.

[ciders]

If the cruiser can transport some mines, it's a good point, but it's not obligatory. Depth charges too. There's no more submarines in the Middle East.

[sgdn]

and here is a theoretical cl thats a bit [63t] over weight to make things interesting

ra, egypt cl laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   4,563 t light; 4,727 t standard; 5,267 t normal; 5,699 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 39.37 ft x 20.51 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 12.00 m  x 6.25 m

Armament:
      8 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns (4x2 guns), 83.72lbs / 37.98kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 2.05" / 52.0 mm guns in single mounts, 4.29lbs / 1.95kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1917 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 687 lbs / 312 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   262.47 ft / 80.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      0.98" / 25 mm
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.47" / 12 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   No drive to shaft, 2 shafts, 47,482 shp / 35,421 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 972 tons

Complement:
   308 - 401

Cost:
   £0.872 million / $3.488 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 86 tons, 1.6 %
   Armour: 804 tons, 15.3 %
      - Belts: 529 tons, 10.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 54 tons, 1.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 203 tons, 3.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 19 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,769 tons, 33.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,654 tons, 31.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 703 tons, 13.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 4.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,412 lbs / 1,548 Kg = 40.8 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 1.5 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 13.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.70
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle
   Block coefficient: 0.580
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21.33 ft / 6.50 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   21.33 ft / 6.50 m (16.40 ft / 5.00 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.39 ft / 5.30 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 126.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,126 Square feet or 1,034 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 348 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.88
      - Longitudinal: 3.01
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped


Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons
100t firecon
25t big radio
25t radar or similar
24t torpedoes 6 ready 6 reloads
26t mines
50t to be used