Rohan ships 1916, 1917, & Beyond

[Sachmle]

Nah...CDS a few of them and scrap the rest. For what you're spending in new material you may as well just build new 14" turrets and call them light BBs.

[Tanthalas]

Nah...CDS a few of them and scrap the rest. For what you're spending in new material you may as well just build new 14" turrets and call them light BBs.

Esentialy im using them as CDS atm, the 12" squadron (including the Arcadias) is posted to the Canal zone.  I can rebuild them for far less than the full new ship but im not sure that would be worth it either.

as to 14" that exact hull can take 6X14" in either 2 tripples or 3 twins (you realy dont want to ask how I know that)

[Tanthalas]

OK scrap the previous idea, I decided it isnt worth it.  However I think this might be and I think I even got the cost right...

Brandybuck (Invincible Reconstruction 1920)
                      BP    $
Base Price           1.60  4.00 
Bow lengthend 5%     1.53  1.53 
New B turret added   0.39  0.78 
New Secondaries      0.32  0.64 
New Engines          0.84  0.84 
Oil Fire conversion  0.00  1.00 
Torpedo Bulkhead     0.48  0.48 
Fire Control added   0.25  0.25 

Total                5.41  9.52 

Brandybuck (1920 reconstruction), Rohan Battleship laid down 1905 (Engine 1920)

Displacement:
   16,817 t light; 17,905 t standard; 19,880 t normal; 21,460 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   590.00 ft / 585.00 ft x 82.02 ft x 24.15 ft (normal load)
   179.83 m / 178.31 m x 25.00 m  x 7.36 m

Armament:
      8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1905 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 4.50" / 114 mm guns (8x2 guns), 45.56lbs / 20.67kg shells, 1905 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.58lbs / 13.87kg shells, 1905 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      3 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.58lbs / 13.87kg shells, 1905 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.17lbs / 1.44kg shells, 1905 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 8,015 lbs / 3,636 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   380.25 ft / 115.90 m   10.86 ft / 3.31 m
   Ends:   4.33" / 110 mm   204.73 ft / 62.40 m   10.86 ft / 3.31 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   380.25 ft / 115.90 m   22.77 ft / 6.94 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   6.50" / 165 mm      13.0" / 330 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   1.30" / 33 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.30" / 33 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.87" / 22 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 13.00" / 330 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 24,000 shp / 17,904 Kw = 20.32 kts
   Range 9,070nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,555 tons

Complement:
   836 - 1,088

Cost:
   £1.548 million / $6.191 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,002 tons, 5.0 %
   Armour: 7,024 tons, 35.3 %
      - Belts: 2,678 tons, 13.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 479 tons, 2.4 %
      - Armament: 2,129 tons, 10.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,533 tons, 7.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 206 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 839 tons, 4.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,652 tons, 38.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,063 tons, 15.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     37,432 lbs / 16,979 Kg = 43.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 16.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.74
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.55

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.13 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.19 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 45
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.78 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.25 ft / 8.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Stern:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.21 ft / 6.16 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 157.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 35,108 Square feet or 3,262 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 117 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 154 lbs/sq ft or 750 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.43
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Tanthalas]

this is not a serious ship (atleast I dont think it is at the moment) but I would apreciate any opinions on it (and yes I know its freking HUGE)

Maximum BB Study, Rohan Battle Ship laid down 1919 (Engine 1920)

Displacement:
   44,000 t light; 45,962 t standard; 51,611 t normal; 56,130 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   878.00 ft / 860.00 ft x 118.00 ft x 31.60 ft (normal load)
   267.61 m / 262.13 m x 35.97 m  x 9.63 m

Armament:
      8 - 15.50" / 394 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1,951.00lbs / 884.96kg shells, 1919 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      16 - 4.50" / 114 mm guns in single mounts, 45.00lbs / 20.41kg shells, 1919 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 8 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 4.50" / 114 mm guns in single mounts, 45.00lbs / 20.41kg shells, 1919 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 1.50" / 38.1 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.69lbs / 0.77kg shells, 1919 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      16 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1919 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 16,525 lbs / 7,496 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   560.00 ft / 170.69 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   560.00 ft / 170.69 m   31.50 ft / 9.60 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   5th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 4.00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 154,000 shp / 114,884 Kw = 29.34 kts
   Range 8,525nm at 19.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 10,168 tons

Complement:
   1,711 - 2,225

Cost:
   £8.630 million / $34.519 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,978 tons, 3.8 %
   Armour: 15,504 tons, 30.0 %
      - Belts: 5,248 tons, 10.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 979 tons, 1.9 %
      - Armament: 3,611 tons, 7.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 5,307 tons, 10.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 358 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 5,385 tons, 10.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 20,248 tons, 39.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,611 tons, 14.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 885 tons, 1.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     87,301 lbs / 39,599 Kg = 46.9 x 15.5 " / 394 mm shells or 13.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
   Metacentric height 8.3 ft / 2.5 m
   Roll period: 17.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.54
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.563
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.29 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 29.33 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
   Stern overhang: -8.00 ft / -2.44 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      36.00 ft / 10.97 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Mid (50 %):      27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   18.00 ft / 5.49 m (27.00 ft / 8.23 m before break)
      - Stern:      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Average freeboard:   26.37 ft / 8.04 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 215.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 71,711 Square feet or 6,662 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 206 lbs/sq ft or 1,005 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.21
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

885 tons Misc. Weight
250 tons 1912 Battleship FC
100 tons 1912 Cruiser FC set (control of Secondary guns)
100 tons Flag Facilities
100 tons Crew Comfort(Lots of Coffee Pots, improved climatization, Stuff like that)
  90 tons Aircraft (one twin engined plane and support Facilities)
  10 tons Large Crane (for lifting above mentiond aircraft)
  25 tons Long Range Wierless set
  25 tons Reserve Long Range Wierless set
  25 Tons Radar
  25 tons Reserve Radar
    9 tons Admerals Quarters (think a 1st class Cabin on Le Magnificent)
    2  tons Capitans quarters
124 tons reserved (more Coffee pots, TVs and stuff in the future)

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Underarmoured.
Borys

[Logi]

Underarmoured and Undergunned.

[TexanCowboy]

Over the 35,000 HP/Shaft limit.

[maddox]

1920 is 40 000 HP shaft

[Tanthalas]

Ahoj!
Underarmoured.
Borys

im afraid I disagree on that point, this ship posesses Improved KC (+10% armor) and a 10 deg. Incline to the belt (+10% armor) so the equivilant armor is about 14.4" and the Deck is equivilant to 5"

Underarmoured and Undergunned.

See above on the armor coment logi, and I supose arming a ship REALISTICLY would make it undergunned (since its armed exactly the same as Iowa sans the jilion AAA guns and one main gun)

Over the 35,000 HP/Shaft limit.

TC if I wanted to I could lay down a ship using 160K shp for 1918

[Logi]

and I supose arming a ship REALISTICLY would make it undergunned (since its armed exactly the same as Iowa sans the jilion AAA guns and one main gun)

Nothing I just prefer the firepower over speed, where the Iowa prioritizes speed.

[Tanthalas]

so more playing around with what to do with the protodreads, as always opinions are welcome.  Personaly though if I intend to keep them this realy may be the best option (and you all know im a 12" gun junky)

Theoden, Rohan Battleship laid down 1919 (Engine 1920)

Displacement:
   24,000 t light; 25,055 t standard; 28,993 t normal; 32,144 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   701.00 ft / 689.00 ft x 95.00 ft x 31.00 ft (normal load)
   213.66 m / 210.01 m x 28.96 m  x 9.45 m

Armament:
      8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 926.00lbs / 420.03kg shells, 1919 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 4.50" / 114 mm guns (8x2 guns), 45.56lbs / 20.67kg shells, 1919 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 4.50" / 114 mm guns (2x2 guns), 45.56lbs / 20.67kg shells, 1919 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 1.50" / 38.1 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.69lbs / 0.77kg shells, 1919 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 8,333 lbs / 3,780 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   413.00 ft / 125.88 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   276.00 ft / 84.12 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   413.00 ft / 125.88 m   31.50 ft / 9.60 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      11.0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   4th:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 94,000 shp / 70,124 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 8,525nm at 19.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 7,089 tons

Complement:
   1,110 - 1,444

Cost:
   £4.630 million / $18.521 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 980 tons, 3.4 %
   Armour: 8,839 tons, 30.5 %
      - Belts: 3,599 tons, 12.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 722 tons, 2.5 %
      - Armament: 1,873 tons, 6.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,421 tons, 8.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 224 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,281 tons, 11.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,436 tons, 36.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,993 tons, 17.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 465 tons, 1.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     45,398 lbs / 20,592 Kg = 52.5 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 7.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 17.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
   Stern overhang: -6.00 ft / -1.83 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forecastle (25 %):   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Mid (70 %):      24.00 ft / 7.32 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   21.60 ft / 6.58 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 164.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 43,615 Square feet or 4,052 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 122 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 164 lbs/sq ft or 801 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.45
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Main belt inclined 10 deg.  Armor Improved KC (11" equivilant to 13.2")
12/48 Main Guns and other misc parts reused from Proto Dreads (-1000 tons)
465 tons misc. weight
250 tons Fire Control (1918 version)
  50 tons Flag Facilities
  25 tons Radar instalation
  25 tons Long Range Wireless
  10 tons Flag Quarters
    5 tons Capitans Quarters
  25 tons Crew Comfort (yeah I know thats alot of Coffee pots)
  25 tons one twin engine flying boat (Crane, Fuel, and Stuff)
  50 tons reserved

[Jefgte]

Correct ship, well balanced...

- 4T2x12" are light for 24000t
- Correct protection
- you can increase the beam ratio & increase the speed
- Exellent range for raids
- Good ship for screening Rohan BBs


Jef  ;)

[Guinness]

It's a fullly armored battlecruiser. Very Teutonic if you ask me. It's probably perfectly appropriate compared to what is running around the pacific right now.

All that said, I'd be curious to see what a similar ship with a 2.5" deck and 10" belt gets you.

[Tanthalas]

It's a fullly armored battlecruiser. Very Teutonic if you ask me. It's probably perfectly appropriate compared to what is running around the pacific right now.

All that said, I'd be curious to see what a similar ship with a 2.5" deck and 10" belt gets you.

It slims down around 500 tons.  not sure its worth it realy (for 1K tons I would likley consider it)

[mentat]

on the 44k tonner - the range seems very high - 10,000 tons of fuel ?!

The Leviathan thread from maybe 2 months ago is interesting for comparison on 40 k tonners ...