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[TexanCowboy]

Shhhh...

[The Rock Doctor]

He's making me spend military funds and BP - I'm extorting him out of a heap of his civilian budget.

So two twins forward, one amidships, one aft?  Let me tinker.  I expect the additional turret mass will cause some slippage somewhere.

[The Rock Doctor]

Modified.  I'm tinkering with my older Invencible to see what a radical reconstruction would cost as an alternative.
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Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916

Displacement:
   17,898 t light; 18,777 t standard; 19,615 t normal; 20,285 t full load
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916

Displacement:
   17,898 t light; 18,777 t standard; 19,615 t normal; 20,285 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   496.75 ft / 492.13 ft x 88.58 ft x 26.25 ft (normal load)
   151.41 m / 150.00 m x 27.00 m  x 8.00 m

Armament:
      6 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (3x2 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.68kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (1x2 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.68kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
     on centreline amidships
      12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 7,678 lbs / 3,483 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.6" / 320 mm   311.68 ft / 95.00 m   14.76 ft / 4.50 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   180.41 ft / 54.99 m   14.76 ft / 4.50 m
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   311.68 ft / 95.00 m   11.29 ft / 3.44 m
     Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.57" / 40 mm   311.68 ft / 95.00 m   24.74 ft / 7.54 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.6" / 320 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      12.6" / 320 mm
   2nd:   12.6" / 320 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      12.6" / 320 mm
   3rd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 12.60" / 320 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 40,000 shp / 29,840 Kw = 22.80 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,508 tons)

Complement:
   828 - 1,077

Cost:
   £2.686 million / $10.742 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 960 tons, 4.9 %
   Armour: 7,941 tons, 40.5 %
      - Belts: 3,914 tons, 20.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 449 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armament: 1,987 tons, 10.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,393 tons, 7.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 197 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 1,490 tons, 7.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,101 tons, 36.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,717 tons, 8.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 405 tons, 2.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22,581 lbs / 10,242 Kg = 26.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.12

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.56 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.25 ft / 8.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.31 ft / 6.80 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.31 ft / 6.80 m (14.44 ft / 4.40 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.44 ft / 4.40 m
      - Stern:      14.44 ft / 4.40 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.69 ft / 5.70 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 132.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 31,884 Square feet or 2,962 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 162 lbs/sq ft or 789 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 1.93
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[The Rock Doctor]

Alright, this is reconstructed Invencible. 

A fourth turret is added aft, superfiring, between the two existing turrets.  Main battery is replaced with 305/45cal guns (currently 40cal).  Lesser armament is replaced - one set of hull casemates aft is crowded out by the new turret, but sixteen secondaries can still be shipped by using two of the old 100mm positions in the forward superstructure.

Bulges added.

Oil firing, higher speed.  More miscellaneous weight to allow fire control.

No alteration to armor - the height of the belt of this ship remains a deficiency to me.

Estimated cost:  ~$12 and ~5.6 BP for me, plus costs for refitting to Romanian standard.  It would certainly cost you less, but I can't say I have a particular figure in mind at this moment.
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Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1907 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   17,479 t light; 18,546 t standard; 19,400 t normal; 20,083 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.74 ft / 557.74 ft x 82.02 ft (Bulges 85.30 ft) x 23.79 ft (normal load)
   170.00 m / 170.00 m x 25.00 m (Bulges 26.00 m)  x 7.25 m

Armament:
      8 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.67kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     14 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1907 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 7,942 lbs / 3,603 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   362.53 ft / 110.50 m   10.86 ft / 3.31 m
   Ends:   4.33" / 110 mm   195.18 ft / 59.49 m   10.86 ft / 3.31 m
   Upper:   6.50" / 165 mm   362.53 ft / 110.50 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   6.50" / 165 mm      13.0" / 330 mm
   2nd:   6.50" / 165 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1.30" / 33 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 12.99" / 330 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 40,000 shp / 29,840 Kw = 23.20 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,537 tons)

Complement:
   821 - 1,068

Cost:
   £1.654 million / $6.617 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 993 tons, 5.1 %
   Armour: 7,272 tons, 37.5 %
      - Belts: 3,383 tons, 17.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 2,225 tons, 11.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,462 tons, 7.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 202 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 1,490 tons, 7.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,324 tons, 37.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,921 tons, 9.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     29,942 lbs / 13,581 Kg = 34.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
   Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 16.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.39

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.54 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.25 ft / 8.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Stern:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.21 ft / 6.16 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 67.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 33,458 Square feet or 3,108 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 153 lbs/sq ft or 748 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.61
      - Overall: 1.02
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[TexanCowboy]

It's very fat. Besides that, I'm waiting for more submissions.

[Sachmle]

It's very fat.

Fat= high stability and steadiness. Better accuracy on your fire and better ability to take punishment from others

[TexanCowboy]

Explains why my designs fail.

[maddox]

A "fat" ship that is very slender, based upon the succesfull Marat/Robbespiere. Her top and cruise speed as well as range is based on the modern French desings.  The Gangut style lay out of the 4 main gun turrets contributed to the inherent stability.

Same "battleship financing" terms as the Gran Colombians.

Transylvania, Romanian Battleship laid down 1916 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   17.996 t light; 18.980 t standard; 21.500 t normal; 23.516 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557,74 ft / 554,46 ft x 94,16 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
   170,00 m / 169,00 m x 28,70 m  x 8,00 m

Armament:
     8 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864,00lbs / 391,90kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
     18 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns (12 mounts), 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 8 raised mounts - superfiring
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
     4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 8.079 lbs / 3.665 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   293,86 ft / 89,57 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Ends:   6,00" / 152 mm   260,58 ft / 79,42 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Upper:   6,00" / 152 mm   293,86 ft / 89,57 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 82% of normal length

  - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,75" / 44 mm   293,86 ft / 89,57 m   25,00 ft / 7,62 m

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   3rd:   0,50" / 13 mm   0,50" / 13 mm            -

  - Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 12,00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 34.400 shp / 25.662 Kw = 22,00 kts
   Range 7.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4.535 tons

Complement:
   887 - 1.154

Cost:
   £2,733 million / $10,932 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.010 tons, 4,7%
   Armour: 8.009 tons, 37,3%
      - Belts: 3.475 tons, 16,2%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 476 tons, 2,2%
      - Armament: 1.838 tons, 8,5%
      - Armour Deck: 2.021 tons, 9,4%
      - Conning Tower: 200 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 1.372 tons, 6,4%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7.305 tons, 34,0%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.504 tons, 16,3%
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1,4%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     33.787 lbs / 15.325 Kg = 39,1 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 6,8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15
   Metacentric height 5,9 ft / 1,8 m
   Roll period: 16,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,549
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,89 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Forecastle (24%):   15,26 ft / 4,65 m
      - Mid (50%):      15,09 ft / 4,60 m
      - Quarterdeck (23%):   15,09 ft / 4,60 m
      - Stern:      15,09 ft / 4,60 m
      - Average freeboard:   15,89 ft / 4,84 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 74,5%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118,3%
   Waterplane Area: 36.407 Square feet or 3.382 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 152 lbs/sq ft or 744 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,29
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[ctwaterman]

$25 per HY isnt a bad Price for a ship like that if you can find someone to builder hor you.

[ledeper]

Design bureau Hamburg:
Mastrovitic, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1917 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   18.280 t light; 19.173 t standard; 20.723 t normal; 21.963 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557,28 ft / 553,81 ft x 88,58 ft x 28,22 ft (normal load)
   169,86 m / 168,80 m x 27,00 m  x 8,60 m

Armament:
      8 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864,00lbs / 391,90kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 7.670 lbs / 3.479 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   356,79 ft / 108,75 m   11,29 ft / 3,44 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   3,94" / 100 mm   415,85 ft / 126,75 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   9,84" / 250 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3,94" / 100 mm, Conning tower: 13,78" / 350 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 46.187 shp / 34.455 Kw = 24,00 kts
   Range 6.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2.790 tons

Complement:
   863 - 1.122

Cost:
   £3,096 million / $12,385 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 959 tons, 4,6 %
   Armour: 7.621 tons, 36,8 %
      - Belts: 2.977 tons, 14,4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armament: 1.985 tons, 9,6 %
      - Armour Deck: 2.434 tons, 11,7 %
      - Conning Tower: 224 tons, 1,1 %
   Machinery: 1.842 tons, 8,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7.410 tons, 35,8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.443 tons, 11,8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 2,2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     27.793 lbs / 12.607 Kg = 32,2 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 3,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,04
   Metacentric height 4,5 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 17,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,48
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,15

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,524
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,53 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Forecastle (10 %):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Mid (70 %):      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Stern:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16,54 ft / 5,04 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 66,8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 121,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 33.416 Square feet or 3.104 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 160 lbs/sq ft or 779 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,60
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[TexanCowboy]

This contest will end at 12:00 am, tomarrow.

[Jefgte]

Could offer to built an other Atahualpa BB - 18BPs - 18$

But I have no DD or SW free in 1917-1918...

So, my offer  =  0


  :D  :D  :D

[TexanCowboy]

I maybe would do that...

[TexanCowboy]

The contest results will now be annouced.

The French design is the winner. It was the best that could be done out of both the political and military situation.

The Gran Columbian design was judged to have way to have a extremely small belt, endangering the ship as a whole.

The Baltic Confederation designs were liked, but were impossible with the current war with the Netherlands.