new Orange ships and projects

[Tanthalas]

2 FC sets... I think we all try that atleast once.  If I recal corectly you can do this but there is no reason to.

[Desertfox]

I find it funny all those putting 'radar' on your ships. Especially twin radars. That's just wasted weight.

[Walter]

Suggestions to improve seakeeping, stability and steadiness?

Uhm... decrease speed? :)

2 FC sets... I think we all try that atleast once.  If I recal corectly you can do this but there is no reason to.

Even if there is a chance it gets blasted as well, I like the idea of having a backup fire control system.

I find it funny all those putting 'radar' on your ships. Especially twin radars. That's just wasted weight.

Maybe, but on a +30,000 ton vessel, the extra 50 tons does not bother the vessel that much. After all, it's less than 0.2% of the displacement of a 30,000 ton vessel.

[Tanthalas]

I find it funny all those putting 'radar' on your ships. Especially twin radars. That's just wasted weight.

Is it realy wasted weight? we are up to the point that these ships will be around when Radar is extreamly usefull so I see no problem with going ahead and reserving the weight for that purpose now.  That said Huelsmeyer style radar did work, even if IMHO not all that well.

[Desertfox]

These ships will require a mid-life refit before radar becomes useful.

I know it works, I was the first to put a radar aboard a ship here. I am also the only one with radar technology to not put it aboard a capital ship (only the Fritz II class of TBs have it). Planning ahead with radar is using too much foresight. And radar right now is at the stage where spending 50 tons on it is simply wasted tonnage. It is only useful for collision avoidance while maneuvering in fog.

[Nobody]

After extensive testing done with Polarstern and Aurora the Orange Navy decided to put at least 2 "electronic distance rangefinders" on every capital ship. This was decided because of the limited capabilities of such devices like limited readiness and the incapability to efficiently track more than one target. Only ships that have at least two sets can be expected operate in groups at night, with one device checking constantly the position of the leading ship and one surveying the surrounding.

[Tanthalas]

These ships will require a mid-life refit before radar becomes useful.

I know it works, I was the first to put a radar aboard a ship here. I am also the only one with radar technology to not put it aboard a capital ship (only the Fritz II class of TBs have it). Planning ahead with radar is using too much foresight. And radar right now is at the stage where spending 50 tons on it is simply wasted tonnage. It is only useful for collision avoidance while maneuvering in fog.

or at Night, or in any other low visibility situation, and that which helps you avoid Colision can also help you find other ships.  Even if I do agree 2 sets is a waste I see it more as a space Issue than anything else, and that only because I actualy draw my ships as accuratly as possible.

[P3D]

... And radar right now is at the stage where spending 50 tons on it is simply wasted tonnage. It is only useful for collision avoidance while maneuvering in fog.

Their primary utility is working as an early warning device. I mean, warning enemy ships with rudimentary DF antennas that you are in a 10-50nm distance.

BTW I dislike the practice of trying to 'moderator-proof' ship designs by throwing 20 to100t misc weight under various pretexts (like duplicate FC).

About those slow cruisers... I agree that their cost is not justified by their capabilities.

[Desertfox]

Uncreative, balanced, and 'perfect' ships should get a 31.739% "low-imagination" penalty.

[Ithekro]

Actually there could be an advantage to having two sets of FC...multiple targets.  One set is for the Main battery and engages one target, the other set is for the secondary batttery and engages a different target.  Or engages a target on the other side of the ship.  Most rules I've seen limit you to one target at range unless the ship has more than one fire control/director control system.  The second battery has to fire on the first target if there is only one FC unless the other target is at relatively close range and thus under "Local Control", and usually this has to be on the other side of the ship.

[Tanthalas]

Uncreative, balanced, and 'perfect' ships should get a 31.739% "low-imagination" penalty.

Define Perfect... I figure each nation builds to its own needs, which are higly situational generaly.  My actual production Eorl will be slow (ok so faster than Cross Mirage but still slow) however on every other front it will be Perfect (for me)

[eltf177]

Both designs have Cruiser FC (100 tons), shouldn't ships this size be required to use Capital Ship FC (250 tons)?

[ctwaterman]

Actually I believe so yes... on all my 9.2" armed designs I use capital ship fire control.

[Nobody]

Both designs have Cruiser FC (100 tons), shouldn't ships this size be required to use Capital Ship FC (250 tons)?

Well they are cruisers, that why I used cruiser FC. I looked it up (again) and your are right, BB/BC/AC are supposed to carry the larger FC systems - which makes them even less interesting.

[eltf177]

Well they are cruisers, that why I used cruiser FC. I looked it up (again) and your are right, BB/BC/AC are supposed to carry the larger FC systems - which makes them even less interesting.

They still work, you just have to drop most of the interesting items under miscellaneous weight to make room for the larger FC.