new Orange ships and projects

[P3D]

7000nm is enough to get to almost anywhere from Orange, including East Coast and Japan. The Pacific itself is out of the Orange Sphere of Interest. The ships are also coal fueled for economy reasons, and I did not see any point of going for insanely high speeds, esp. as it would have required a significant increase in size.
I could have built a single high-speed prestige liner for the same size, and not significantly higher troop passenger-carrying capacity. Also, oil-fueling would also increase the operating cost and profitability of the liners themselves.

[ctwaterman]

I believe they were intended for use on the Kaapstadt to Nacala or Kaapstadt to Blantrye routes each carrying a maximum number of troops....

But then Im not paranoid someone was out to get me... :o
*looks around with squinty eyes*  But which one of you... Hmmmm.... ;D

[P3D]

 >:(

I reject such accusations. As Orange, I had proper amphibious ships built for missions like mentioned above.

[Logi]

*drags Italia Conquest folder to the Trash can*

Rats! They found out! ;D

[ctwaterman]

*smiles innocently at Logi*

Of Course we found out why do you think I have been so busy building large Naval Gun Batteries at all my Ports in Southern Ost/East Africa...?????

Of course it wasnt the Fleet of the RRC that concerned the Empire.

[Logi]

Of course, its not the fleet you should be scared of its the 1 million+ army marching across the land :P

[Sachmle]

Of course, its not the fleet you should be scared of its the 1 million+ army marching across the land :P

That's one helluva long march. :o Hope winter doesn't do to much damage, or the Himalaya's while you march over them. ;) Not to mention the 4-6 nations you'd march through..I'm sure they wouldn't mind at all. :P

[Logi]

I'm sure they would love to feed them ::)

[P3D]

Like the 1950s-60s joke.

The Polish fisherman catches the Golden Fish. His three wishes are: the Chinese Army should invade Poland. Three times. After all is done, the Golden Fish asks the fisherman why he wanted the Chinese to invade Poland. "simple" answers the fisherman,"each time they attack Poland, they have to cross Russia twice."

[ctwaterman]

*chuckles*....

I Like that P3D I like that poor Russia.

In this case After China is Done Conqueoring its way throught the Mughal Empire and its half million man Army.   And throught Persia and then the Ottoman Empire I can worry about them when the Reach my allies Border at Suez ????

Of Course I might decide a little Amphibious Flanking action might be in order at that point.

Charles

[Carthaginian]

Awesome joke, P3D.

[Sachmle]

Yes Dan..outstanding joke.

[P3D]

[off]I'm glad my joke is appreciated.  :) Felt appropriate to the discussion.[/off]

[Nobody]

Trying to design a light cruiser, not really successful though.
I think 8kt is the upper limit for a light cruiser, I would prefer a 6kt ship and be happy about a 4kt or 5kt design. Suggestions?

8 kt Cruiser, Orange Cruiser laid down 1920

Displacement:
   8.000 t light; 8.274 t standard; 9.779 t normal; 10.983 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   545,85 ft / 541,34 ft x 62,34 ft x 20,01 ft (normal load)
   166,50 m / 165,00 m x 19,00 m  x 6,10 m

Armament:
      8 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns (4x2 guns), 108,00lbs / 48,99kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 3,00" / 76,2 mm guns in single mounts, 13,50lbs / 6,12kg shells, 1920 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      6 - 1,00" / 25,4 mm guns in single mounts, 0,50lbs / 0,23kg shells, 1920 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 921 lbs / 418 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,94" / 100 mm   364,17 ft / 111,00 m   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
   Ends:   0,98" / 25 mm   177,16 ft / 54,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Upper:   0,79" / 20 mm   364,17 ft / 111,00 m   8,53 ft / 2,60 m
     Main Belt covers 103% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3,94" / 100 mm   1,57" / 40 mm      2,36" / 60 mm
   2nd:   0,59" / 15 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1,38" / 35 mm, Conning tower: 4,72" / 120 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 3 shafts, 77.892 shp / 58.107 Kw = 31,00 kts
   Range 7.000nm at 18,00 kts
      2900 nm @ 25 knots
   Bunker at max displacement = 2.709 tons

Complement:
   491 - 639

Cost:
   £1,792 million / $7,166 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 115 tons, 1,2%
   Armour: 1.662 tons, 17,0%
      - Belts: 955 tons, 9,8%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 84 tons, 0,9%
      - Armour Deck: 577 tons, 5,9%
      - Conning Tower: 47 tons, 0,5%
   Machinery: 2.723 tons, 27,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3.279 tons, 33,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1.779 tons, 18,2%
   Miscellaneous weights: 220 tons, 2,2%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10.965 lbs / 4.974 Kg = 101,5 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20
   Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 14,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,21
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,507
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,68 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,27 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,39 ft / 0,12 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25,59 ft / 7,80 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   18,37 ft / 5,60 m
      - Mid (50%):      17,06 ft / 5,20 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   17,06 ft / 5,20 m
      - Stern:      18,04 ft / 5,50 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,17 ft / 5,54 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102,3%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152,4%
   Waterplane Area: 22.623 Square feet or 2.102 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 94 lbs/sq ft or 461 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,32
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Tanthalas]

Have a look at the New CLs Rohan is building might help and they are only 6K tons light.