Requesting Offers to Build

[TexanCowboy]

I need someone to build me this monster. Up to its gills in armour, I present to you, the
Mastrocitic.

Mastrovitic, Romania Light Battleship laid down 1917 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   18,458 t light; 19,568 t standard; 21,075 t normal; 22,281 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   559.27 ft / 557.00 ft x 64.00 ft x 28.00 ft (normal load)
   170.47 m / 169.77 m x 19.51 m  x 8.53 m

Armament:
      6 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (3x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
     Main guns limited to end-on fire
      2 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (1x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
     on centreline amidships
      8 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      6 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 7,915 lbs / 3,590 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   557.00 ft / 169.77 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   10.0" / 254 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   14.0" / 356 mm   10.0" / 254 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   3rd:   11.0" / 279 mm   4.00" / 102 mm            -
   4th:   11.0" / 279 mm   4.00" / 102 mm            -
   5th:   2.00" / 51 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.50" / 89 mm, Conning tower: 14.00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 40,658 shp / 30,331 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 8,098nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,713 tons

Complement:
   873 - 1,136

Cost:
   £3.098 million / $12.393 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 989 tons, 4.7 %
   Armour: 9,297 tons, 44.1 %
      - Belts: 4,946 tons, 23.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 2,206 tons, 10.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,915 tons, 9.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 230 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 1,621 tons, 7.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,251 tons, 29.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,617 tons, 12.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     27,471 lbs / 12,461 Kg = 31.8 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.01
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 16.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 47 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1.09
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.11

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.739
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.70 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 40
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.96 ft / 7.91 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.52 ft / 5.04 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.52 ft / 5.04 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.52 ft / 5.04 m
      - Stern:      16.52 ft / 5.04 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.28 ft / 5.27 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 63.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,572 Square feet or 2,747 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 138 lbs/sq ft or 672 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.40
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

[maddox]

No problem, French yards will build it to your specifications.

What are you willing to pay for it?

At least $23.125,and the 18.5 BP in other forms, buying French BP in $ is rather expensive.

[TexanCowboy]

I was looking for a poorer country, one that I can exchange techs for for it.

[maddox]

Especialy a poorer country can ill afford building a BB for another country without a large $ injection.

In any case, you can reduce the $ pricetag with 25% , but then the maintenance/upkeep cost is increased with 25%.

[TexanCowboy]

By that, I mean countries I can exchange tech with, in lieu of cash or BP.

[Sachmle]

1)Does Romania have AoN tech?

2)Wasted material. Too thick belt. 13.5-14" is fine, use weight saved to increase barbette armor.

3)170.47m > 170m limit on type 2 Slip/Dock

4a)L:B is high, BC is HUGE (0.739). She's a floating brick.

4b)Above makes her unstable/unsteady. Kills flotation and gunfire accuracy.

Wider is your friend here. Go 7:1 L:B, see what happens. She'll get heavier true, but she's almost worthless in combat w/ a 47% gunfire and 1.01 stability. ANY Underwater damage, or flooding for other reasons and you're SOL.

[TexanCowboy]

Thats not AON. The entire ship is coated in 15'' armour.

[Logi]

The the belt will be exposed once the ship starts to move. The ship - under the freeboard - is unprotected.

[TexanCowboy]

What? Logi, what do you mean?

[ledeper]

6 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (3x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1917 Model
    Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
    on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
    Main guns limited to end-on fire

If you increase beam to 23m/75,5 foot ,the Main guns limited to end-on fire ,limitation disappear ,also since you dont have Light Cruiser Architecture - Main battery in deck mounts/casemates :1910 Cutting Edge (+5): twin gun mounts (require hoists); powered gun mounts; unrestricted weapon armor your sec gun is limited to 1" armor.
E.G  or alternate design for Mastrovitic:ROMANIA, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1917 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   16.000 t light; 17.069 t standard; 19.038 t normal; 20.614 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557,74 ft / 554,27 ft x 75,46 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
   170,00 m / 168,94 m x 23,00 m  x 8,00 m

Armament:
      6 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (3 mounts), 864,00lbs / 391,90kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 3 raised guns - superfiring
      2 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (1x2 guns), 864,00lbs / 391,90kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
     on centreline amidships
      8 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 5,00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62,50lbs / 28,35kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      6 - 1,00" / 25,4 mm guns in single mounts, 0,50lbs / 0,23kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 7.915 lbs / 3.590 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   360,27 ft / 109,81 m   10,42 ft / 3,18 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      10,0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   14,0" / 356 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      10,0" / 254 mm
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm   1,00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1,00" / 25 mm   1,00" / 25 mm            -
   5th:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3,50" / 89 mm, Conning tower: 14,00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 37.592 shp / 28.044 Kw = 23,00 kts
   Range 8.100nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.545 tons

Complement:
   809 - 1.053

Cost:
   £2,911 million / $11,643 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 989 tons, 5,2 %
   Armour: 6.318 tons, 33,2 %
      - Belts: 2.266 tons, 11,9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armament: 1.843 tons, 9,7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1.994 tons, 10,5 %
      - Conning Tower: 215 tons, 1,1 %
   Machinery: 1.499 tons, 7,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6.893 tons, 36,2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.039 tons, 16,0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1,6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     24.943 lbs / 11.314 Kg = 28,9 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 3,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,03
   Metacentric height 3,5 ft / 1,1 m
   Roll period: 17,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,81
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,607
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,35 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,54 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16,47 ft / 5,02 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16,47 ft / 5,02 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16,47 ft / 5,02 m
      - Stern:      16,47 ft / 5,02 m
      - Average freeboard:   16,73 ft / 5,10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 68,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119,4 %
   Waterplane Area: 30.790 Square feet or 2.861 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 155 lbs/sq ft or 758 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,50
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[TexanCowboy]

I'll think about it. Tell you what. Lets make this a competition. Who can design a ship using 8 12'' guns weighing under 19,000 tons, with a offer to build it.

[Logi]

I would design it, but I wouldn't build it. Rather I wouldn't be able to with my packed schedule soon.

[The Rock Doctor]

Well, here's an option.  You have no new tech, scrap, or territory to offer me, and I suspect you want to use your BP for yourself, so we're looking at a cash deal.

It would cost Gran Colombia $22.38 and 17.9 BP to build to Romanian standards, and that's without a profit.  So - I'll build her for $75 of your civilian budget, paid equally in the five half-years it would take to construct her.

If the twin turret is placed amidships, non-superfiring, the deck armor can be bumped to 75mm.
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Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916

Displacement:
   17,898 t light; 18,777 t standard; 19,615 t normal; 20,285 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   496.70 ft / 492.13 ft x 88.58 ft x 26.25 ft (normal load)
   151.39 m / 150.00 m x 27.00 m  x 8.00 m

Armament:
      6 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (2x3 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.68kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (1x2 guns), 865.70lbs / 392.68kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
     on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
      12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 7,678 lbs / 3,483 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.6" / 320 mm   319.88 ft / 97.50 m   14.76 ft / 4.50 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   172.21 ft / 52.49 m   14.76 ft / 4.50 m
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   319.88 ft / 97.50 m   11.29 ft / 3.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.57" / 40 mm   319.88 ft / 97.50 m   24.74 ft / 7.54 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.6" / 320 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      12.6" / 320 mm
   2nd:   12.6" / 320 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      12.6" / 320 mm
   3rd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 12.60" / 320 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 41,423 shp / 30,901 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,508 tons)

Complement:
   828 - 1,077

Cost:
   £2.698 million / $10.791 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 960 tons, 4.9 %
   Armour: 7,675 tons, 39.1 %
      - Belts: 3,965 tons, 20.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 461 tons, 2.4 %
      - Armament: 1,658 tons, 8.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,393 tons, 7.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 197 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 1,543 tons, 7.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,320 tons, 37.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,717 tons, 8.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22,797 lbs / 10,340 Kg = 26.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.48
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.15

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.56 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.92 ft / 7.90 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.97 ft / 7.00 m (15.09 ft / 4.60 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Stern:      15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.27 ft / 5.87 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 31,884 Square feet or 2,962 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 166 lbs/sq ft or 809 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 2.08
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[TexanCowboy]

I could live with that. Could you move the superfiring turret to the front and put a non-superfiring one amidship and in the aft, making 8 guns in total?

[Logi]

Really? That's a hefty profit he's making off you! :o