Design for me...Part 2

[TexanCowboy]

More of a economy design. The ship sacrificies guns for speed and armour, like the German ships of World War I.It's capable of outrunning anything it can't outshoot, except the Speedy Gonzales  ;D. Perfect for raiding and counter-raiding.(I'm new at this, so can you tell me if I missed anything?)


Marele Columbia , Gran Columbia Point Cruiser laid down 1917

Displacement:
   9,726 t light; 10,127 t standard; 11,004 t normal; 11,706 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   611.92 ft / 600.00 ft x 59.00 ft x 20.00 ft (normal load)
   186.51 m / 182.88 m x 17.98 m  x 6.10 m

Armament:
      6 - 7.64" / 194 mm guns (3x2 guns), 222.78lbs / 101.05kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      12 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.92kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      6 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 2,020 lbs / 916 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 20.0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.50" / 89 mm   444.00 ft / 135.33 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm   150.00 ft / 45.72 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
     6.00 ft / 1.83 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.00" / 25 mm   600.00 ft / 182.88 m   3.00 ft / 0.91 m
     Main Belt covers 114 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.40" / 36 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 3 shafts, 84,001 shp / 62,664 Kw = 31.40 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 11.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,579 tons

Complement:
   536 - 698

Cost:
   £1.788 million / $7.153 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 252 tons, 2.3 %
   Armour: 2,056 tons, 18.7 %
      - Belts: 1,185 tons, 10.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 181 tons, 1.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 636 tons, 5.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 53 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 3,079 tons, 28.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,838 tons, 34.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,278 tons, 11.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 4.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,220 lbs / 4,636 Kg = 45.9 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.26
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 13.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.36
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.544
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Forecastle (9 %):   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Mid (50 %):      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Quarterdeck (18 %):   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Stern:      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.15 ft / 5.53 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 113.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 146.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,567 Square feet or 2,282 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 100 lbs/sq ft or 488 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.07
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[Sachmle]

Can anyone say "Tinclad"? She's faster than most and lighter than all so far.

Javier, Gran Columbia Fleet Cruiser laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   9,700 t light; 10,167 t standard; 10,903 t normal; 11,492 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.73 ft / 551.18 ft x 68.90 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   170.00 m / 168.00 m x 21.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      8 - 7.64" / 194 mm guns (4x2 guns), 220.46lbs / 100.00kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.82lbs / 4.00kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 1,781 lbs / 808 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   437.17 ft / 133.25 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      1.97" / 50 mm

   - Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 92,145 shp / 68,740 Kw = 31.70 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,325 tons

Complement:
   533 - 693

Cost:
   £1.835 million / $7.339 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 225 tons, 2.1 %
   Armour: 1,222 tons, 11.2 %
      - Belts: 520 tons, 4.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 215 tons, 2.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 465 tons, 4.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 21 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 3,433 tons, 31.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,521 tons, 41.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,203 tons, 11.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,263 lbs / 4,655 Kg = 46.1 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.43
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.17

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.510
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12.50 degrees
   Stern overhang: -4.10 ft / -1.25 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29.53 ft / 9.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   28.71 ft / 8.75 m
      - Mid (70 %):      24.61 ft / 7.50 m (16.40 ft / 5.00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   24.06 ft / 7.33 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 122.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 221.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,546 Square feet or 2,373 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 111 lbs/sq ft or 542 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.07
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[TexanCowboy]

3'' armarment on a main battery of 7.64? Still, nice design.

[Sachmle]

3'' armarment on a main battery of 7.64? Still, nice design.

I presume you meant 'armor', hence my "Tinclad" comment.

[TexanCowboy]

ya. Still nice. Looks Italian almost.

[Logi]

Seems like my submission has the heavier armor (a whooping 8" on both belt and turret armor).

Simm (Flash), GC Commerce Raider laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   13,433 t light; 13,917 t standard; 14,811 t normal; 15,527 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   600.00 ft / 600.00 ft x 75.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
   182.88 m / 182.88 m x 22.86 m  x 7.32 m

Armament:
     8 - 7.64" / 194 mm guns (4x2 guns), 222.78lbs / 101.05kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
     12 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns (6x2 guns), 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
     4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 2,155 lbs / 977 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

  - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 84,203 shp / 62,815 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,611 tons

Complement:
   670 - 872

Cost:
   £2.271 million / $9.085 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 269 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 4,377 tons, 29.6 %
      - Belts: 2,431 tons, 16.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 752 tons, 5.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,090 tons, 7.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 104 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 3,137 tons, 21.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,349 tons, 36.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,379 tons, 9.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19,373 lbs / 8,788 Kg = 87.0 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 16.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.32
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.18

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.480
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Mid (50 %):      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Stern:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.65 ft / 6.29 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 153.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,449 Square feet or 2,736 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 119 lbs/sq ft or 583 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.48
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[TexanCowboy]

Not very economic, though. ;D

[Logi]

I wouldn't build anything is the 10k ton region unless it had BB guns like my Huang Hun class. Well aside, its faster than my heavy cruisers and has thicker armor. Pretty good for whacking cruisers I think.

Of course Rocky, if you've not happy. You could always build a few of these and donate it to the RRC :D

[Desertfox]

Quick and Dirty...

Aurora class, New Switzerland Designed Cruiser laid down 1916

Displacement:
   7,815 t light; 8,157 t standard; 9,140 t normal; 9,926 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   550.00 ft / 550.00 ft x 55.00 ft x 22.50 ft (normal load)
   167.64 m / 167.64 m x 16.76 m  x 6.86 m

Armament:
      6 - 7.64" / 194 mm guns (3x2 guns), 222.78lbs / 101.05kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      3 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 1,612 lbs / 731 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 170

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   426.51 ft / 130.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 119 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      3.94" / 100 mm

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 66,914 shp / 49,918 Kw = 30.50 kts
   Range 15,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,769 tons

Complement:
   466 - 607

Cost:
   £1.296 million / $5.183 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 202 tons, 2.2 %
   Armour: 1,522 tons, 16.6 %
      - Belts: 669 tons, 7.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 244 tons, 2.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 572 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 37 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,493 tons, 27.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,279 tons, 35.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,325 tons, 14.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 320 tons, 3.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8,026 lbs / 3,641 Kg = 36.0 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
   Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 15.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.470
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Mid (40 %):      19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.77 ft / 5.41 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 138.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,624 Square feet or 1,823 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 99 lbs/sq ft or 482 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.46
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[The Rock Doctor]

Good range of ideas now.

Tex, your economy design has no obvious flaws at first blush, although I'd omit the 1" upper belt altogether.

Korpen's Gonzales is the interesting beastie, but perhaps a bit too fast.


I kinda like this last Foxy design, except for the belt height being on the low side.

[The Rock Doctor]

On the low end, I'm looking at this.  The six single turrets, oddly, are only slightly less efficient than three twins from an SS point of view.  Less practical from a field-of-fire perspective, but providing good redundancy during a brawl.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916

Displacement:
   7,501 t light; 7,843 t standard; 8,660 t normal; 9,313 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.59 ft / 553.15 ft x 55.12 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   169.95 m / 168.60 m x 16.80 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      6 - 7.64" / 194 mm guns in single mounts, 222.78lbs / 101.05kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 3 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 1,479 lbs / 671 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   6 - 21.0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   400.26 ft / 122.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ends:   0.98" / 25 mm   152.85 ft / 46.59 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
     Main Belt covers 111 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 62,000 shp / 46,252 Kw = 30.09 kts
   Range 12,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,469 tons)

Complement:
   448 - 583

Cost:
   £1.224 million / $4.896 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 185 tons, 2.1 %
   Armour: 1,352 tons, 15.6 %
      - Belts: 708 tons, 8.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 246 tons, 2.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 372 tons, 4.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 27 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 2,358 tons, 27.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,277 tons, 37.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,158 tons, 13.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 329 tons, 3.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8,505 lbs / 3,858 Kg = 38.2 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 14.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.59
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.505
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.04 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.52 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.20 ft / 7.68 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.97 ft / 7.00 m (15.09 ft / 4.60 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Stern:      15.09 ft / 4.60 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.21 ft / 5.85 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 140.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 20,407 Square feet or 1,896 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 96 lbs/sq ft or 468 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.44
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[TexanCowboy]

I can give you this, it has .2 extra knots and has better conning tower armour, by killing the upper belt.

Marele Columbia, Gran Columbia Point Cruiser laid down 1917

Displacement:
   9,898 t light; 10,303 t standard; 11,191 t normal; 11,901 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   611.92 ft / 600.00 ft x 60.00 ft x 20.00 ft (normal load)
   186.51 m / 182.88 m x 18.29 m  x 6.10 m

Armament:
      6 - 7.64" / 194 mm guns (3x2 guns), 222.78lbs / 101.05kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      12 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.92kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      6 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 2,020 lbs / 916 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 20.0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.50" / 89 mm   450.00 ft / 137.16 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm   150.00 ft / 45.72 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
     Main Belt covers 115 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.40" / 36 mm, Conning tower: 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 3 shafts, 87,317 shp / 65,139 Kw = 31.60 kts
   Range 10,021nm at 11.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,598 tons

Complement:
   543 - 707

Cost:
   £1.830 million / $7.321 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 252 tons, 2.3 %
   Armour: 2,024 tons, 18.1 %
      - Belts: 1,131 tons, 10.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 182 tons, 1.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 647 tons, 5.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 65 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 3,201 tons, 28.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,921 tons, 35.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,292 tons, 11.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 4.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,210 lbs / 4,631 Kg = 45.8 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.27
   Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 13.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise aft of midbreak, raised quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.544
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Forecastle (9 %):   19.00 ft / 5.79 m (18.00 ft / 5.49 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      18.00 ft / 5.49 m (19.00 ft / 5.79 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (18 %):   19.00 ft / 5.79 m (18.00 ft / 5.49 m before break)
      - Stern:      19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.54 ft / 5.65 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 115.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 148.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,983 Square feet or 2,321 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 101 lbs/sq ft or 492 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.10
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[Logi]

Did he just ignore me? ;D

[Desertfox]

Belt height increased by 0.5 meters...

Aurora class, New Switzerland Designed Cruiser laid down 1916

Displacement:
   8,000 t light; 8,347 t standard; 9,343 t normal; 10,140 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   550.00 ft / 550.00 ft x 55.00 ft x 23.00 ft (normal load)
   167.64 m / 167.64 m x 16.76 m  x 7.01 m

Armament:
      6 - 7.64" / 194 mm guns (3x2 guns), 222.78lbs / 101.05kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      3 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 1,612 lbs / 731 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 170

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   426.51 ft / 130.00 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 119 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      3.94" / 100 mm

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 67,856 shp / 50,621 Kw = 30.50 kts
   Range 15,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,793 tons

Complement:
   474 - 617

Cost:
   £1.314 million / $5.257 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 202 tons, 2.2 %
   Armour: 1,634 tons, 17.5 %
      - Belts: 780 tons, 8.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 244 tons, 2.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 572 tons, 6.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 38 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,528 tons, 27.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,317 tons, 35.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,343 tons, 14.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 320 tons, 3.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8,793 lbs / 3,988 Kg = 39.5 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 2.8 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 13.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.470
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27.00 ft / 8.23 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Mid (40 %):      19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.77 ft / 5.41 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,624 Square feet or 1,823 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 99 lbs/sq ft or 484 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.49
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[ctwaterman]

The Designers at the Italian Naval Academy had just completed some test designs for the new Italia Scout cruiser when the request for a new design competition came in.   The need to put heavyer then anticipated guns on to a ship designed primarily for Scouting proved to be a very interesting exercise.   The Desire to make the ships remain small and cheap to build still remained.  The Result of the exercise is the Jamacia Class Protected Cruiser utilizing an All or nothing armor scheme and a sloped main belt.   In addition the ship utilized 2 tripple and 1 double mount and hoist configuration for the main guns.

Jamacia, GC Cruiser laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   7,591 t light; 7,914 t standard; 8,561 t normal; 9,079 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   536.22 ft / 525.00 ft x 52.00 ft x 24.50 ft (normal load)
   163.44 m / 160.02 m x 15.85 m  x 7.47 m

Armament:
      8 - 7.64" / 194 mm guns (3 mounts), 222.78lbs / 101.05kg shells, 1911 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1911 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1911 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 1,805 lbs / 819 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.25" / 83 mm   380.00 ft / 115.82 m   15.65 ft / 4.77 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 111 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   4.00" / 102 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      3.00" / 76 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.25" / 57 mm, Conning tower: 4.00" / 102 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 60,870 shp / 45,409 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,166 tons

Complement:
   444 - 578

Cost:
   £1.545 million / $6.182 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 226 tons, 2.6 %
   Armour: 1,674 tons, 19.6 %
      - Belts: 789 tons, 9.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 126 tons, 1.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 724 tons, 8.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 36 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,268 tons, 26.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,124 tons, 36.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 970 tons, 11.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 3.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7,376 lbs / 3,346 Kg = 33.1 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 14.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 57 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.68
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.19

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.448
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.10 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 7.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.20 ft / 7.99 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17.04 ft / 5.19 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17.04 ft / 5.19 m
      - Quarterdeck (25 %):   17.04 ft / 5.19 m
      - Stern:      17.04 ft / 5.19 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.77 ft / 5.42 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 110.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 17,385 Square feet or 1,615 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 99 lbs/sq ft or 484 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.86
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

100T    Fire Control
4T   Torpedoes
12T   3 Torpedo Reloads
25T   Long Ranger Wireless
150T   Room for Expansion
Main Belt Sloped at 10 Degree's