New and Improved Swiss Ships for 1917...

[Desertfox]

No need for running boilers and pumps if using batteries, and unlike submarines, not a lot of batteries would be needed, as these ships would run directly on steam power most of the time. Only on certtain occasions and for a short amount of time would bateries be used.


Another new destroyer design. These are based on the Zionite Lavis, with minor changes. These ships are designed specificlly to operate in the enclosed waters of the East Indies, which is reflected in their short range, low seakeeping, and shallow draft. They can also carry 50 tons of mines and have minesweeping equipment as standard.

Pic is for the Zionite ships, but these will look virtually identical.



Dayan class, New Switzerland Destroyer laid down 1916

Displacement:
   700 t light; 750 t standard; 823 t normal; 881 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   330.00 ft / 330.00 ft x 30.00 ft x 7.40 ft (normal load)
   100.58 m / 100.58 m x 9.14 m  x 2.26 m

Armament:
      3 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft
      2 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1916 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 176 lbs / 80 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 300
   6 - 19.7" / 500.38 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 16,587 shp / 12,374 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 1,900nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 131 tons

Complement:
   76 - 99

Cost:
   £0.157 million / $0.627 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 2.7 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.4 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 377 tons, 45.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 227 tons, 27.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 123 tons, 15.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 8.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     204 lbs / 93 Kg = 6.4 x 4.0 " / 102 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
   Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 11.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.20
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.81

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.393
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 86
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forecastle (30 %):   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Mid (50 %):      12.00 ft / 3.66 m (7.00 ft / 2.13 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Stern:      7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Average freeboard:   10.10 ft / 3.08 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 180.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 84.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 6,071 Square feet or 564 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 55 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 24 lbs/sq ft or 119 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 0.66
      - Overall: 0.52
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

[Desertfox]

A gunboat to support amphibious assaults and to serve as an escort.

New Switzerland  Heavy Gunboat laid down 1916

Displacement:
   1,901 t light; 2,037 t standard; 2,231 t normal; 2,386 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   320.00 ft / 320.00 ft x 40.00 ft x 12.20 ft (normal load)
   97.54 m / 97.54 m x 12.19 m  x 3.72 m

Armament:
      4 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (2x2 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 1,296 lbs / 588 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   194.00 ft / 59.13 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 93 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      3.00" / 76 mm
   2nd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 6,707 shp / 5,003 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 7,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 349 tons

Complement:
   161 - 210

Cost:
   £0.388 million / $1.554 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 162 tons, 7.3 %
   Armour: 437 tons, 19.6 %
      - Belts: 175 tons, 7.9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 93 tons, 4.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 158 tons, 7.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 249 tons, 11.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,034 tons, 46.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 330 tons, 14.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 0.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,671 lbs / 1,211 Kg = 10.4 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 13.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.91
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.89 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Mid (50 %):      10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Stern:      10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Average freeboard:   10.40 ft / 3.17 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 8,528 Square feet or 792 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 82 lbs/sq ft or 401 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.67
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Korpen]

No need for running boilers and pumps if using batteries, and unlike submarines, not a lot of batteries would be needed, as these ships would run directly on steam power most of the time. Only on certtain occasions and for a short amount of time would bateries be used.

A steam engine is not like a combustion engine that can easily as quickly shut off or on. As long as there is pressure in the system thing like pumps and associated system must run, or you will risk damage to the equipment. If the system is shut down completely, it will take some significant time to get it back on line again.

[Desertfox]

Finally that big bad battleship to scare little children at night. The guns will be coming from a certain place (part of current storyline).


NSS Alaska, New Switzerland Battleship laid down 1916

Displacement:
   31,090 t light; 32,760 t standard; 36,284 t normal; 39,102 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   720.00 ft / 720.00 ft x 99.00 ft x 34.00 ft (normal load)
   219.46 m / 219.46 m x 30.18 m  x 10.36 m

Armament:
      12 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1,390.00lbs / 630.49kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread, 3 raised mounts
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      20 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (8 mounts), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1916 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 18,520 lbs / 8,401 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 90

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   390.00 ft / 118.87 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   330.00 ft / 100.58 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   390.00 ft / 118.87 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 83 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 7.00" / 178 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 92,858 shp / 69,272 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6,342 tons

Complement:
   1,313 - 1,708

Cost:
   £5.735 million / $22.939 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2,300 tons, 6.3 %
   Armour: 10,497 tons, 28.9 %
      - Belts: 3,651 tons, 10.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 3,986 tons, 11.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,695 tons, 7.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 165 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 3,460 tons, 9.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 14,484 tons, 39.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,193 tons, 14.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     42,583 lbs / 19,315 Kg = 31.0 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 3.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
   Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 17.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.80
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.524
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.27 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.83 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 39
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      32.00 ft / 9.75 m
      - Forecastle (30 %):   24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Mid (50 %):      21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Stern:      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:   22.84 ft / 6.96 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 48,553 Square feet or 4,511 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 202 lbs/sq ft or 988 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.53
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[TexanCowboy]

Murdering the Invincibles?
Other than that, DEAR LORD!  :D

[The Rock Doctor]

What?  Don't be ridiculous.  He'd never do such a thing...

Erm - twenty 4" in eight mounts?  Twin-and-a-halves?

[TexanCowboy]

Some PM's he sent me seemed to say otherwise...

[The Rock Doctor]

OH THE HUMANITY!

[TexanCowboy]

Not only that, even offered to sell them. Ask him, the fool genius!  :D

[The Rock Doctor]

I tried that.  He didn't bite.

[TexanCowboy]

He offered to sell it to me for $17. I couldn't afford.  :'(

[The Rock Doctor]

Instead, you're forking out a fortune for a ill-constructed French tub...

[Desertfox]

Erm - twenty 4" in eight mounts?  Twin-and-a-halves?

Oops... should be single mounts.

He offered to sell it to me for $17. I couldn't afford.

Actually I think thats what you offered... ;)

D. New Swiss refused to sell when I declared war.

I think price had more to do with that. The Swiss are businessmen, war is good business...

[Tanthalas]

Personaly id rather have the 4 I's than 2 of these that are outclassed by every other big BB in the Pacific (remember the guns are only 14/40s on the I's) and as a 1917 laydown Asfolath and the French Monster will finish before it anyway.

and is that 17$ each for the I's? if so Rohan would be interested.

[Desertfox]

The Is are fast but badly undergunned, and half of their armament can be knocked out in one hit. And there are very few big BBs in the Pacific, very few...