Romanian CBB/AC design competition

[Guinness]

TexanCowboy can refine the requirements for us, but I think a design competition for Romania's order might be fun.

So here are the parameters as I understand them:

Romania is interested in commissioning a new flagship for Black Sea operations. They'd prefer a medium-heavy caliber gun, something like the CSA's 9.2" 45 and 50 caliber series (which fires a 380 pound round). Speed need only be adequate. Armor protection should presumably be something more than adequate. Range isn't a primary criteria, as long range isn't needed for Black Sea service. Ditto sea keeping.

Also I imagine that as part of the deal Romania might want to license and adopt the major caliber chose for future ships or shore defense.

So anyone want to solicit the Romanians for their business? I'll have something later or tomorrow, personally.

[TexanCowboy]

I'm the Romanian goverment and I approve this message.

[TexanCowboy]

If the ship is payable for over muiltiple halfs the ships have no limit, otherwise, please keep it under 4-5,000 tons.

[maddox]

Protected cruiser with added belt.

Tsar, Romania cruiser laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   3.786 t light; 4.029 t standard; 4.380 t normal; 4.661 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393,70 ft / 390,42 ft x 49,21 ft x 13,12 ft (normal load)
   120,00 m / 119,00 m x 15,00 m  x 4,00 m

Armament:
      4 - 7,75" / 197 mm guns (2x2 guns), 250,00lbs / 113,40kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 5,50" / 140 mm guns (2x2 guns), 90,00lbs / 40,82kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 5,50" / 140 mm guns (2x2 guns), 90,00lbs / 40,82kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      2 - 1,50" / 38,1 mm guns in single mounts, 1,69lbs / 0,77kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 1.723 lbs / 782 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 0,8" / 20 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2,00" / 51 mm   281,10 ft / 85,68 m   8,42 ft / 2,57 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 111% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   3rd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm

   - Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 20.600 shp / 15.368 Kw = 24,00 kts
   Range 4.000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 633 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   268 - 349

Cost:
   £0,837 million / $3,350 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 200 tons, 4,6%
   Armour: 668 tons, 15,3%
      - Belts: 199 tons, 4,5%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 77 tons, 1,8%
      - Armour Deck: 393 tons, 9,0%
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,0%
   Machinery: 844 tons, 19,3%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.924 tons, 43,9%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 594 tons, 13,6%
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 3,4%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5.005 lbs / 2.270 Kg = 21,5 x 7,8 " / 197 mm shells or 1,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
   Metacentric height 2,1 ft / 0,6 m
   Roll period: 14,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,82
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,608
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,93 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,76 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Forecastle (18%):   13,85 ft / 4,22 m
      - Mid (50%):      13,85 ft / 4,22 m
      - Quarterdeck (10%):   13,85 ft / 4,22 m
      - Stern:      13,85 ft / 4,22 m
      - Average freeboard:   14,50 ft / 4,42 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102,5%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139,3%
   Waterplane Area: 14.158 Square feet or 1.315 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 94 lbs/sq ft or 459 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,63
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

20 tons dedicated to the underwater torpedo tubes (all 4 bow mounted)
1 in each tube and 4 reloads


The main guns are relined French 195mm guns in the same mount and hoist used on the Demarce IV cruisers

The secundaries are the ubiqtous 5.5" guns, with lighter shells.

[Guinness]

Something bigger, but still rather small:

Note that the CSA has abandoned it's usual AoN protection scheme for this ship. The fully armored sides are meant to give good protection to the casemates.

Her seakeeping is only ok, but should be plenty in the Black Sea.

CSA CBB Submission, Romania Coastal Battle Ship laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   4,500 t light; 4,852 t standard; 5,098 t normal; 5,294 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   339.50 ft / 330.00 ft x 55.00 ft x 17.75 ft (normal load)
   103.48 m / 100.58 m x 16.76 m  x 5.41 m

Armament:
      4 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (2x2 guns), 380.00lbs / 172.37kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 4.75" / 121 mm guns in single mounts, 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      2 - 1.58" / 40.0 mm guns in single mounts, 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1918 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 2,124 lbs / 964 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   192.50 ft / 58.67 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   137.50 ft / 41.91 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   192.50 ft / 58.67 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14,215 shp / 10,604 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 3,500nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 442 tons

Complement:
   301 - 392

Cost:
   £0.926 million / $3.705 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 276 tons, 5.4 %
   Armour: 1,603 tons, 31.4 %
      - Belts: 817 tons, 16.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 401 tons, 7.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 353 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 32 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 530 tons, 10.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,766 tons, 34.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 598 tons, 11.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 326 tons, 6.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6,153 lbs / 2,791 Kg = 15.8 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 14.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 59 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.554
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16.12 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.50 ft / 6.86 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   21.50 ft / 6.55 m
      - Mid (25 %):      21.50 ft / 6.55 m (12.00 ft / 3.66 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Stern:      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.44 ft / 4.40 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 107.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,714 Square feet or 1,181 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 94 lbs/sq ft or 457 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.35
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

Misc weight:

250t: Fire control
25t: Long range wireless
51t: Important Fluff

[ledeper]

A bit bigger ,but with a considerably more punch

Imperitza Elivasetta, Romania CDBb laid down 1917 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   7.265 t light; 7.743 t standard; 8.185 t normal; 8.539 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   368,60 ft / 367,45 ft x 62,34 ft x 18,86 ft (normal load)
   112,35 m / 112,00 m x 19,00 m  x 5,75 m

Armament:
      6 - 12,00" / 305 mm guns (3x2 guns), 864,00lbs / 391,90kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      12 - 4,00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32,00lbs / 14,51kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 5.568 lbs / 2.526 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8,86" / 225 mm   230,31 ft / 70,20 m   9,22 ft / 2,81 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 96 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9,84" / 250 mm   3,94" / 100 mm      7,87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 9,84" / 250 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 10.378 shp / 7.742 Kw = 18,00 kts
   Range 4.000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 796 tons

Complement:
   429 - 559

Cost:
   £1,631 million / $6,522 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 696 tons, 8,5 %
   Armour: 2.630 tons, 32,1 %
      - Belts: 842 tons, 10,3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armament: 732 tons, 8,9 %
      - Armour Deck: 970 tons, 11,9 %
      - Conning Tower: 86 tons, 1,1 %
   Machinery: 414 tons, 5,1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3.225 tons, 39,4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 921 tons, 11,2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 3,7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8.443 lbs / 3.830 Kg = 9,8 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 1,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,04
   Metacentric height 2,6 ft / 0,8 m
   Roll period: 16,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,88
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,08

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,663
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,89 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Mid (50 %):      11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Stern:      11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Average freeboard:   11,61 ft / 3,54 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 90,5 %
   Waterplane Area: 17.757 Square feet or 1.650 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 136 lbs/sq ft or 662 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,94
      - Longitudinal: 1,73
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

[Jefgte]

Here is a smaller version of the 7000t Escort Cruiser from Peru

Cost - 5BPs - 0$

Constanza, Romania Armored Cruiser laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   5 000 t light; 5 340 t standard; 5 565 t normal; 5 744 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 59.06 ft x 17.64 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 18.00 m  x 5.38 m

Armament:
     6 - 9.06" / 230 mm guns (2x3 guns), 371.24lbs / 168.39kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     8 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52.72lbs / 23.91kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
     4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
     4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1918 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 2 657 lbs / 1 205 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 21.0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.72" / 120 mm   255.91 ft / 78.00 m   9.51 ft / 2.90 m
   Ends:   1.57" / 40 mm   131.23 ft / 40.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     6.56 ft / 2.00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.30" / 160 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      4.72" / 120 mm
   2nd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

  - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 4.72" / 120 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 15 000 shp / 11 190 Kw = 21.63 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 404 tons

Complement:
   321 - 418

Cost:
   £1.064 million / $4.258 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 332 tons, 6.0 %
   Armour: 1 314 tons, 23.6 %
      - Belts: 557 tons, 10.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 284 tons, 5.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 441 tons, 7.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 32 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 559 tons, 10.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 494 tons, 44.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 565 tons, 10.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 5.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7 322 lbs / 3 321 Kg = 19.7 x 9.1 " / 230 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 2.7 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 15.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.68
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.40

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.475
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.67 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forecastle (22 %):   17.06 ft / 5.20 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Stern:      13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.31 ft / 4.67 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 107.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 15 148 Square feet or 1 407 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 112 lbs/sq ft or 545 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.22
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[TexanCowboy]

If it doesn't incoviences you too much, could you post the price as well.

[Desertfox]

New Zion can offer this design. Note, that New Zion can not build it, so someone else would have to build her.


New Zion  Battleship laid down 1916

Displacement:
   7,287 t light; 7,760 t standard; 8,229 t normal; 8,604 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   451.49 ft / 450.00 ft x 64.00 ft x 20.00 ft (normal load)
   137.61 m / 137.16 m x 19.51 m  x 6.10 m

Armament:
      6 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (2x3 guns), 500.00lbs / 226.80kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
      10 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (2x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4,053 lbs / 1,838 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 130

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   240.00 ft / 73.15 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   210.00 ft / 64.01 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   240.00 ft / 73.15 m   5.00 ft / 1.52 m
     Main Belt covers 82 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 7.00" / 178 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 16,373 shp / 12,215 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 3,050nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 844 tons

Complement:
   431 - 561

Cost:
   £1.254 million / $5.014 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 507 tons, 6.2 %
   Armour: 2,490 tons, 30.3 %
      - Belts: 1,282 tons, 15.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 437 tons, 5.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 710 tons, 8.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 61 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 610 tons, 7.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,541 tons, 43.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 941 tons, 11.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 140 tons, 1.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     11,316 lbs / 5,133 Kg = 22.6 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 3.0 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 15.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.72
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.03 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.21 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Mid (40 %):      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.24 ft / 4.34 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,189 Square feet or 1,783 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 628 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.66
      - Overall: 1.03
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Sachmle]

Here is Krupp's submission:

Basarabia, Brandenburg Export Küstenpanzerschiffen laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   7,600 t light; 8,358 t standard; 8,657 t normal; 8,897 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 65.62 ft x 21.16 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 20.00 m  x 6.45 m

Armament:
      6 - 9.45" / 240 mm guns (2x3 guns), 418.88lbs / 190.00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      12 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     4 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      2 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.86lbs / 1.75kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 3,936 lbs / 1,786 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   4 - 19.7" / 500 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.89" / 175 mm   255.91 ft / 78.00 m   16.01 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   137.80 ft / 42.00 m   16.01 ft / 4.88 m
   Upper:   2.95" / 75 mm   255.91 ft / 78.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   2nd:   2.95" / 75 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   3rd:   1.97" / 50 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      1.97" / 50 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.36" / 60 mm, Conning tower: 6.89" / 175 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 19,000 shp / 14,174 Kw = 21.19 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 539 tons

Complement:
   448 - 583

Cost:
   £1.426 million / $5.704 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 499 tons, 5.8 %
   Armour: 3,037 tons, 35.1 %
      - Belts: 1,666 tons, 19.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 517 tons, 6.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 791 tons, 9.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 63 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 708 tons, 8.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,006 tons, 34.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,057 tons, 12.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 4.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,683 lbs / 4,846 Kg = 25.3 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.29

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.554
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -14.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -4.10 ft / -1.25 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16.01 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.01 ft / 4.88 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.01 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.01 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.01 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.01 ft / 4.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,101 Square feet or 1,682 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 555 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.25
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250t 1908 Fire Control
25t Long Range Markoni Installation
25t Sehendes Auge (Anti-collision 'Radar')
20t 20 50cm Torpedoes, 4 per tube
30t Reserve Weight

[maddox]

Pricetag of ships not of the DD, TB or submarine class are BP= $  

But foreign build ships have a disadvantage, or they get a tad more expensive in upkeep, as no part is standard, or the pricetag rises as every part is custom made to fit the standard of the buying country.

Foreign build but up to the buyers standards is 1BP=1.25 $

Upkeep gets 25% more expensive if bought to foreign specifications.


Other option is to buy one of the French Heavy cruisers of 1900.  The Montcalm class.  Pretty cheap.

[The Rock Doctor]

The design of the Antonio Jose de Sucre could be adapted to suit Romanian needs for a coastal monitor.  Given the draught, she may also be able to access the Danube to some degree.

http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=3016.msg33900#msg33900.

Like many other nations, Gran Colombia is constrained more by its BP than by its available cash.  Therefore, the cost of construction really depends on whether the 7.5 BP required for such a vessel could be made up by having Romania build some "trailing edge" ships (sloops, tenders) for GC.  If so - then construction might cost ~$11.

If not, the cash cost would be significantly higher.

[mentat]

  Is it possible to have some guide on likely/ intended use of the Ship and type/strength of possible Opponents.

I'm not clear if Reqmt is for a Coastal style AC (multiple 7-8 inch guns, armour vs Cruisers and 'reasonable speed' or Coastal Mini BB/Monitor - few 12 inch guns, armour vs. ACs/PDs and Monitor like speed

Also - is Land Bombardment/support part of the Mission?

So far - I'd go for the 6 x 12 inch - a nice mini PD !

[TexanCowboy]

I'm looking more for a coastal cruiser. I'm going to try and buy some caribian properties from the Dutch and such, and I don't really have a need for bombaredment ships, since I have some very good land artillery and I working on some bombers. It's more intened as a deterrent to Russia and Ukrania and the Ottomans then for shore bombardment, since I don't have any forces near the coast.

[TexanCowboy]

Rock Doctor, I could probebly build 5-7 sloops or frigate or whatever for you, but I'm guessing that you would want to use your on guns on them.