firanjian refits ect

[The Rock Doctor]

Assuming I were inclined to fight the ship, I'd stand off at a distance where I can penetrate your deck armor and you can't reciprocate.

Assuming I weren't inclined to fight the ship, I'd just mosey on by.  Even my semi-dreadnoughts are speedy in comparison.

Can't comment on the music, as I don't do Youtube.

[sgdn]

The thing is I think firanji should have at lest one round ship for tradition may be a transport or some sort of carrier later on

On the music it's the theme to the magic round about

[Korpen]

Round ships are cool, but you should be more modest with them if you build them. The advantage of a round ship is that is allows for maximum displacement on minimum draft. If too deep the wave resistance makes the form far too cost-inefficient. So if you want a round battleship aim for about ¼ the size, with a single turret at the centre, sort of a classic flying saucer.

As for the refit/rebuild of the original ships; I would recommend a minimal refit were the addition of fire control and perhaps a switch to oil as the only major changes. The Justice-class is still quite fast and there is nothing wrong with their protection (however a more extensive armour scheme would have been nice, but the thick deck compensates somewhat).

21,5kts, is still a decent speed, it is faster them most Dutch, Swiss and DKB 2nd line capital ships, and her big guns can still do harm to most of the cruisers (from light to battle) in the pacific.

[sgdn]

for justace some thing like this?

Justice , firanji ccs laid down 1902

Displacement:
   13,400 t light; 13,883 t standard; 15,011 t normal; 15,914 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   479.99 ft / 479.99 ft x 70.01 ft x 24.02 ft (normal load)
   146.30 m / 146.30 m x 21.34 m  x 7.32 m

Armament:
      4 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns (2x2 guns), 823.82lbs / 373.68kg shells, 1902 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1902 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      12 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1902 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      6 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1902 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 4,454 lbs / 2,020 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 70

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.02" / 229 mm   364.99 ft / 111.25 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   7.01" / 178 mm   114.99 ft / 35.05 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   314.99 ft / 96.01 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 117 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.02" / 229 mm   7.01" / 178 mm      7.01" / 178 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.99" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 9.02" / 229 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 27,020 ihp / 20,157 Kw = 21.54 kts
   Range 6,469nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,031 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   677 - 881

Cost:
   £1.510 million / $6.040 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 557 tons, 3.7 %
   Armour: 4,180 tons, 27.8 %
      - Belts: 1,897 tons, 12.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 739 tons, 4.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,426 tons, 9.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 118 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 4,094 tons, 27.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,269 tons, 28.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,611 tons, 10.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,284 lbs / 4,665 Kg = 12.5 x 11.8 " / 300 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
   Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 14.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.41
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.651
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.86 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      14.99 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   14.99 ft / 4.57 m
      - Mid (50 %):      14.99 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.99 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      14.99 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.99 ft / 4.57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 117.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,767 Square feet or 2,394 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 117 lbs/sq ft or 572 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.33
      - Overall: 0.99
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

oil fired actual range 9050nm

Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons
25t big radio*
25t flagstuff*
250t firecon

*+best guess for what was fitted

and here be the cost
   bp      $
   13.151   13151   13.151

Refurbishment      2.6302
remove bunkerage   -250   -0.125
add fire con 0.25   250   0.25
costs   0.25      2.7552

so any errors glaring mistakes and the like?

[P3D]

Don't have the negative "remove bunkerage" item, make it zero (cost of 1.25BP/$2.88).

Otherwise fine. You might want to change from coal-firing to oil (how much the range would be with the same bunkerage of oil), but your range is still OK - and you might have fuel availability issues.

[sgdn]

after losseing 250 t the range with oil fireing is 9050 nm
it was just above the Miscellaneous weights breakdown