firanji cc's

[sgdn]

more beam seems to be to order of the day

gar marr, Firnaji Cruiser laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   8,069 t light; 8,405 t standard; 9,137 t normal; 9,723 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.74 ft / 557.74 ft x 62.34 ft x 17.32 ft (normal load)
   170.00 m / 170.00 m x 19.00 m  x 5.28 m

Armament:
      8 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns (4x2 guns), 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns (4x2 guns), 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 1,391 lbs / 631 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 180
   6 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   131.23 ft / 40.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
     32.81 ft / 10.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.97" / 50 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 56,941 shp / 42,478 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 7,500nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,319 tons

Complement:
   466 - 607

Cost:
   £1.319 million / $5.276 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 174 tons, 1.9 %
   Armour: 2,120 tons, 23.2 %
      - Belts: 1,477 tons, 16.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 94 tons, 1.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 521 tons, 5.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 28 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 2,122 tons, 23.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,354 tons, 36.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,068 tons, 11.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 3.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,011 lbs / 5,448 Kg = 143.5 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 14.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.531
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.95 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Mid (38 %):      19.69 ft / 6.00 m (16.40 ft / 5.00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.65 ft / 5.38 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 153.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,837 Square feet or 2,214 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 96 lbs/sq ft or 468 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.10
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

torpedoes below main deck [fore deck]

[sgdn]

biger guns are a posabilty

gar marr, Firnaji Cruiser laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   10,646 t light; 11,163 t standard; 12,023 t normal; 12,711 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.74 ft / 557.74 ft x 72.18 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   170.00 m / 170.00 m x 22.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 9.84" / 250 mm guns (2x2 guns), 476.75lbs / 216.25kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns (2x2 guns), 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns (2x2 guns), 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 2,628 lbs / 1,192 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 180
   6 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   131.23 ft / 40.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
     32.81 ft / 10.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.97" / 50 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm
   3rd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 68,848 shp / 51,361 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 7,500nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,548 tons

Complement:
   573 - 746

Cost:
   £1.832 million / $7.329 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 329 tons, 2.7 %
   Armour: 2,890 tons, 24.0 %
      - Belts: 1,493 tons, 12.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 347 tons, 2.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,005 tons, 8.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 45 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,565 tons, 21.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,562 tons, 37.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,377 tons, 11.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,998 lbs / 6,803 Kg = 31.5 x 9.8 " / 250 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
   Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 14.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.30
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.96

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.531
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.73 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Mid (38 %):      19.69 ft / 6.00 m (16.40 ft / 5.00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.65 ft / 5.38 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 146.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,600 Square feet or 2,564 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 117 lbs/sq ft or 571 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.26
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

torpedoes below main deck [fore deck]

[sgdn]

some thing smaller

tel, Firnaji Cruiser laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   4,820 t light; 5,007 t standard; 5,492 t normal; 5,880 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 45.93 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 14.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      8 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns (4x2 guns), 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      2 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 889 lbs / 403 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   360.89 ft / 110.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   1.18" / 30 mm     0.00 ft / 0.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
     32.81 ft / 10.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   0.20" / 5 mm     16.40 ft / 5.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 141 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 42,260 shp / 31,526 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 872 tons

Complement:
   318 - 414

Cost:
   £0.877 million / $3.509 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 111 tons, 2.0 %
   Armour: 1,055 tons, 19.2 %
      - Belts: 699 tons, 12.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 63 tons, 1.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 273 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 20 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,575 tons, 28.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,829 tons, 33.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 673 tons, 12.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 4.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4,668 lbs / 2,117 Kg = 55.8 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
   Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 14.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.61
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.08

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.540
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Mid (38 %):      19.69 ft / 6.00 m (16.40 ft / 5.00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.65 ft / 5.38 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 113.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 107.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,503 Square feet or 1,162 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 80 lbs/sq ft or 389 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.70
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

main and end belt thiner at bottom main thickness 100 and 50 mm respectivley

well what does every one think of these three ships
are they the good the bad and the ugly
or the three musketers

[mentat]

vs DDS - I'd have thought 2 of the smaller ships: 5-5.5k tons and 10-12 5.5s each is a better option than one bigger ship - in this role

? - is the intended role of the 8k ton vs DDs?

if going with an 8k ton design - could carry 10/12 6" instead - more useful vs CLs - more space for the TTs

- main issue is what are they for/what is the likely opposition?

[sgdn]

the tel class mainly scouting showing the flag messing with light weight opposition

the gar marr class is a tel on steriodes bit of fun and would a ch with lots of small guns be effective

garnisis class [the gar marr with big guns] is back up for the battleships and providing some thing for when a battleship is overkill

but mainly they are cruisers

[mentat]

Sorry - I missed the 250 mm gun version - interesting but 6 main battery (maybe 9.2" - if you have?) in 3x2 or 2x3 gives better FC - I think there would be room without disturbing the pos'n of the secrys

[sgdn]

dont have any thing between 25cm and 14cm realy appart from 15 cm

[mentat]

Never mind - they'll be very intimidating :D

[sgdn]

and in the case of the garnisis class thats it

[Korpen]

some thing smaller

tel, Firnaji Cruiser laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

I quite like her, but the armour scheme seems odd.
The 5mm upper belt is pointless, it adds less protection then the hull plating, and the end belts have zero length, so are non-existent.

[sgdn]

tiided up a bit

tel, Firnaji Cruiser laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   4,820 t light; 5,007 t standard; 5,492 t normal; 5,880 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 45.93 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 14.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      8 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns (4x2 guns), 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      2 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 889 lbs / 403 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   360.89 ft / 110.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   0.20" / 5 mm     16.40 ft / 5.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 141 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -         0.98" / 25 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 42,260 shp / 31,526 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 872 tons

Complement:
   318 - 414

Cost:
   £0.877 million / $3.509 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 111 tons, 2.0 %
   Armour: 1,055 tons, 19.2 %
      - Belts: 699 tons, 12.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 63 tons, 1.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 273 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 20 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,575 tons, 28.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,829 tons, 33.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 673 tons, 12.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 4.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4,811 lbs / 2,182 Kg = 57.5 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 13.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.54
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.08

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.540
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Mid (38 %):      19.69 ft / 6.00 m (16.40 ft / 5.00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.65 ft / 5.38 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 113.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 107.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,503 Square feet or 1,162 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 80 lbs/sq ft or 389 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.70
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

[sgdn]

new ch back up for bb showing the flag the usual cc work

eagle, firanji ch laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   11,864 t light; 12,408 t standard; 13,630 t normal; 14,608 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.74 ft / 557.74 ft x 78.74 ft x 19.75 ft (normal load)
   170.00 m / 170.00 m x 24.00 m  x 6.02 m

Armament:
      8 - 7.87" / 200 mm guns (4x2 guns), 244.10lbs / 110.72kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 7.87" / 200 mm guns (2x2 guns), 244.10lbs / 110.72kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      12 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 3,084 lbs / 1,399 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   459.32 ft / 140.00 m   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 127 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 66,221 shp / 49,400 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,200 tons

Complement:
   629 - 819

Cost:
   £2.169 million / $8.675 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 385 tons, 2.8 %
   Armour: 3,544 tons, 26.0 %
      - Belts: 2,193 tons, 16.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 163 tons, 1.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,116 tons, 8.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 73 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 2,467 tons, 18.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,117 tons, 37.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,766 tons, 13.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 2.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19,675 lbs / 8,925 Kg = 80.6 x 7.9 " / 200 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 14.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.33
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.11

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.550
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.08 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Stern:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 182.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 30,649 Square feet or 2,847 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 120 lbs/sq ft or 586 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.48
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons
25t big raido
25t flag stuff
100t firecon
200t tbd reserve ect

[mentat]

Hi  good to see you are looking at an intermediate calibre

They look interesting - but not so sure about such heavy guns side mounted and the secondaries are very light - not really sufficient to engage TBDs at range and stop them

suggest - 1 more centreline twin main and use wt saved to incease the secondaries to 8/10 x 140mm ? :)

[sgdn]

new ch desined for raiding harising shelling and being a nusance ect so genreley a bit of every thing [well it is a cruiser]

well what is the verdict

eagle, firanji ch laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   10,863 t light; 11,359 t standard; 12,515 t normal; 13,440 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.74 ft / 557.74 ft x 72.18 ft x 19.78 ft (normal load)
   170.00 m / 170.00 m x 22.00 m  x 6.03 m

Armament:
      8 - 7.87" / 200 mm guns (4x2 guns), 244.10lbs / 110.72kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns (4x2 guns), 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
      12 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 2,777 lbs / 1,260 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   459.32 ft / 140.00 m   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 127 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   2nd:   2.95" / 75 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      1.97" / 50 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 61,817 shp / 46,115 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,081 tons

Complement:
   591 - 769

Cost:
   £1.988 million / $7.954 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 347 tons, 2.8 %
   Armour: 3,493 tons, 27.9 %
      - Belts: 2,182 tons, 17.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 219 tons, 1.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,023 tons, 8.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 69 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 2,303 tons, 18.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,370 tons, 34.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,652 tons, 13.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 2.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16,305 lbs / 7,396 Kg = 66.8 x 7.9 " / 200 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.35
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.550
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.73 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.67 ft / 5.08 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 137.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 28,095 Square feet or 2,610 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 112 lbs/sq ft or 546 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.16
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons
100t fire con
25t flag stuff [little version]
25t  big radio
20t torpedoes 6 ready 12 reloads 2t loading gear
180t stuff [empty space to be used as needed]

[P3D]

8" needs turrets with barbettes and classify rather as an armored cruiser.