Franji mine layer 1916 + Miscellaneous ships

Started by sgdn, February 22, 2009, 11:35:58 AM

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sgdn

right seeing as i have just taken up Franji i had better buld some thing
these will probably be built unlike the small battleship
Designed for defensive mine laying
With an option to lay offensive mine fields

ml 1 , Enter country mine layer laid down 1916

Displacement:
   369 t light; 382 t standard; 424 t normal; 457 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   196.85 ft / 196.85 ft x 22.97 ft x 6.56 ft (normal load)
   60.00 m / 60.00 m x 7.00 m  x 2.00 m

Armament:
      1 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline forward
      1 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on side aft, 1 raised gun
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1916 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 26 lbs / 12 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.18" / 30 mm   114.83 ft / 35.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 927 ihp / 691 Kw = 15.00 kts
   Range 2,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 75 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   46 - 60

Cost:
   £0.039 million / $0.158 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 tons, 0.8 %
   Armour: 60 tons, 14.3 %
      - Belts: 57 tons, 13.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 61 tons, 14.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 170 tons, 40.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 55 tons, 12.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 17.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     941 lbs / 427 Kg = 73.1 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 11.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.03 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 27
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   14.76 ft / 4.50 m (13.12 ft / 4.00 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      13.12 ft / 4.00 m (6.56 ft / 2.00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Stern:      6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   10.17 ft / 3.10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 72.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,012 Square feet or 280 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 150 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 145 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.87
      - Longitudinal: 3.51
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


Miscellaneous weights 75 mines

P3D

You don't need the belt armor. If she meets even a destroyer she's toast.
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

sgdn

The armour is for the stability as is the reciprocating engines

P3D

If you want stability increase the beam. 75 mines is a marginal load at best.
Trim is also very low, should be between 30 and 70.

Also, the stability is low as SS2 thinks all the misc weight is on deck level. If misc weight is a lot compared to displacement it causes imaginary stability problems so you could ignore it - stab 1.1 should be fine.
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

sgdn

Mk2 same idea slightly improved design

ml 1 b, Enter country mine layer laid down 1916

Displacement:
   364 t light; 378 t standard; 424 t normal; 460 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   196.85 ft / 196.85 ft x 22.97 ft x 6.56 ft (normal load)
   60.00 m / 60.00 m x 7.00 m  x 2.00 m

Armament:
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount
      1 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on side aft, 1 raised gun
      2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1916 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 39 lbs / 18 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.47" / 12 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.47" / 12 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 1,504 shp / 1,122 Kw = 17.00 kts
   Range 4,600nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 82 tons

Complement:
   46 - 60

Cost:
   £0.040 million / $0.161 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 5 tons, 1.1 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0.5 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 56 tons, 13.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 173 tons, 40.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 60 tons, 14.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 128 tons, 30.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     753 lbs / 342 Kg = 58.5 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 11.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.13
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.03 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 25
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   14.76 ft / 4.50 m (13.12 ft / 4.00 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      13.12 ft / 4.00 m (6.56 ft / 2.00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (5 %):   6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Stern:      6.56 ft / 2.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   10.17 ft / 3.10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,012 Square feet or 280 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 151 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 148 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.87
      - Longitudinal: 3.55
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

128 mines

sgdn

first attempt at a posable firanjian support ship  and yes it probably is not fish or fowl but whats the gallery say?

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1950 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   3,675 t light; 3,800 t standard; 5,461 t normal; 6,789 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 65.62 ft (Bulges 67.26 ft) x 13.12 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 20.00 m (Bulges 20.50 m)  x 4.00 m

Armament:
      2 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1950 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1950 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 0.49" / 12.5 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1950 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 123 lbs / 56 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm   262.47 ft / 80.00 m   3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 4,047 ihp / 3,019 Kw = 15.00 kts
   Range 20,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,990 tons

Complement:
   316 - 412

Cost:
   £1.369 million / $5.478 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 15 tons, 0.3 %
   Armour: 47 tons, 0.9 %
      - Belts: 37 tons, 0.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 10 tons, 0.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 240 tons, 4.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,620 tons, 29.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,786 tons, 32.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1,752 tons, 32.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,404 lbs / 6,080 Kg = 379.5 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 3.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.37
   Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.01
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.53

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.550
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.85 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 33 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Mid (60 %):      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Stern:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.65 ft / 4.16 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 52.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 138.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 17,485 Square feet or 1,624 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 227 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 70 lbs/sq ft or 343 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.17
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Miscellaneous weights
25 big radio
512 oil +988 max tranfer from bunker  total 1500
1000 cargo space
200 workshops
15 secure storage [subject to change]

The Rock Doctor

I'd delete the armor belt and half the armament, as a start - this is an auxiliary.

I think the ship is too small to effectively support your major fleet elements.  On the other hand, if you convert half the cargo space into accommodations, perhaps you end up with a useful depot ship to support smaller patrol units.

sgdn

#7
ok v2 as i said not fish or fowl intended to proving militry/secure goverment  cargo transport [ie change of garison and goverment cargo to the Chagos Archipelago teritory] insted of hireing merchiant ships
and supply of firanjan ships

so part depot ship part transport

the armor belt is to represent reinforcement to the hull to protect aganst acidental damage

boilers are multi fuel hence coal fireing [as in burn anything]

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1950 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   5,659 t light; 5,870 t standard; 10,229 t normal; 13,716 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 72.18 ft x 16.40 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 22.00 m  x 5.00 m

Armament:
      2 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1950 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 0.49" / 12.5 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1950 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 71 lbs / 32 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm   262.47 ft / 80.00 m   3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 6,270 ihp / 4,677 Kw = 15.00 kts
   Range 25,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 7,847 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   508 - 661

Cost:
   £2.055 million / $8.222 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 9 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 42 tons, 0.4 %
      - Belts: 38 tons, 0.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 410 tons, 4.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,448 tons, 23.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,570 tons, 44.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2,750 tons, 26.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     29,775 lbs / 13,506 Kg = 843.0 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 4.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.50
   Metacentric height 6.1 ft / 1.9 m
   Roll period: 12.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.94

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.768
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.45 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 39 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 36
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Mid (60 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 44.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,229 Square feet or 2,251 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 278 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 78 lbs/sq ft or 383 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.41
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


Miscellaneous weights: 2,750 t
50t 2x big radio
70t command stuff [offices ect]
200t medical and rec spaces
300t workshops
1000t accommodations
1000t cargo
76.5 t more fuel
53.5 t crane

Bunker at max displacement  7,847 t
Max offload able fuel 50% = 3923.5 t + 76.5 t = 4000 t


[Note assumes accommodations and cargo spaces can be used as the other if nessrey such as in the case of disaster relief work ECT]



The Rock Doctor

That explanation helps - but I'd still lose the armor and some guns.  It seems like an alright ship for the task you outline; have a peek at my Senora Maria class packets for my own take on such jobs.

eltf177


Korpen

Quote from: eltf177 on April 24, 2009, 01:29:07 PM
Are those 1950 layout dates correct?
No, but at the same time it is pretty irrelevant, as the only thing that really change weight with  year is the engine, and the engine year is correct.
Card-carrying member of the Battlecruiser Fan Club.

Borys

I believe the year also affects armament in some way ...
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Valles

Certain types of guns have a minimum design year - you can't label SS guns as 'automatic' before 1930-something, frex.
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When the mother ship's cannon cracked the signal to return
The clouds were building bastions in the swirling up above
Poseidon the King and the Wind his jester
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair
Dancing with the Lightning Lady Fair

sgdn

time for some thing difrent from the refit

priorty transport i will see  if i can bump the crusing speed up a bit more
built to fast ship rulles aka dd tb rules [can i combine fast ship and civilan ship rules or not?]
what say the gallery?

ptr1, Firanji ptr laid down 1916

Displacement:
   2,148 t light; 2,249 t standard; 4,912 t normal; 7,043 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 45.93 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 14.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      2 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.32lbs / 16.02kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 0.49" / 12.5 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1916 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 71 lbs / 32 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 70

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 24,077 shp / 17,961 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 12,000nm at 20.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,794 tons

Complement:
   293 - 381

Cost:
   £0.341 million / $1.363 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 9 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 897 tons, 18.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 892 tons, 18.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,764 tons, 56.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 7.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,952 lbs / 2,700 Kg = 168.5 x 4.1 " / 105 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.55
   Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 10.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.03
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.483
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Stern:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,866 Square feet or 1,102 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 222 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 37 lbs/sq ft or 182 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 2.02
      - Overall: 0.57
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons
25t big radio
25t safe
300t cargo

Guinness

Quote from: sgdn on May 25, 2009, 04:44:55 PM
[can i combine fast ship and civilan ship rules or not?]
what say the gallery?

You may build any ship you want under the destroyer/torpedo boat architecture, provided it meets those rules. That means faster than 20 knots, and with a light displacement at or below the maximum technology your nation has obtained. Right now, that means no bigger than 1500t, assuming you've accomplished the 1500t destroyer/tb tech. So, no, this ship would not yet be legal.