firanji battleships formaly cdbb/small battle ship + new battle ship

[sgdn]

First attempt at a ship  Franjian tech base

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   10,970 t light; 11,450 t standard; 11,805 t normal; 12,089 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   328.08 ft / 328.08 ft x 98.43 ft x 19.69 ft (normal load)
   100.00 m / 100.00 m x 30.00 m  x 6.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 12.99" / 330 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,096.51lbs / 497.37kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turrets
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      10 - 0.55" / 14.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in any sea
      6 - 0.55" / 14.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4,387 lbs / 1,990 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   4 - 8.0" / 203.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   213.25 ft / 65.00 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   114.83 ft / 35.00 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   2.95" / 75 mm            -
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7,242 shp / 5,402 Kw = 15.00 kts
   Range 2,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 639 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   566 - 736

Cost:
   £1.293 million / $5.173 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 548 tons, 4.6 %
   Armour: 3,273 tons, 27.7 %
      - Belts: 554 tons, 4.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,279 tons, 10.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,351 tons, 11.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 88 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 318 tons, 2.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,531 tons, 55.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 835 tons, 7.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22,130 lbs / 10,038 Kg = 20.2 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 4.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.9 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 17.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.08

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle
   Block coefficient: 0.650
   Length to Beam Ratio: 3.33 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -1.64 ft / -0.50 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      12.80 ft / 3.90 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   14.76 ft / 4.50 m (11.48 ft / 3.50 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Stern:      11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Average freeboard:   11.98 ft / 3.65 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 47.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 94.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,737 Square feet or 2,298 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 137 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 227 lbs/sq ft or 1,106 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.34
      - Longitudinal: 3.48
      - Overall: 1.48
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

[Korpen]

First attempt at a ship  Franjian tech base
Armament:
      4 - 12.99" / 330 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,096.51lbs / 497.37kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turrets
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts

Coles/Ericson turrets are like the ones on Monitor, "modern" turrets uses turret+barbarette, were you got a armoured gunhouse rotating atop a armoured cylinder that is fixed.
IN an Ericsson turret the entire structure rotates, and it does not penetrate the deck.


I will update the techlist, Firaji got 1916 engines from 2/1915

[sgdn]

take two

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1915 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   7,302 t light; 7,703 t standard; 7,870 t normal; 8,004 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   328.08 ft / 328.08 ft x 98.43 ft x 13.12 ft (normal load)
   100.00 m / 100.00 m x 30.00 m  x 4.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 12.99" / 330 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,096.51lbs / 497.37kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      10 - 0.55" / 14.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in any sea
      6 - 0.55" / 14.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 0.30" / 7.5 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4,387 lbs / 1,990 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   213.25 ft / 65.00 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   114.83 ft / 35.00 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, ERROR: no steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,979 shp / 4,460 Kw = 15.00 kts
   Range 1,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 301 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   417 - 543

Cost:
   £1.042 million / $4.167 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 548 tons, 7.0 %
   Armour: 2,379 tons, 30.2 %
      - Belts: 554 tons, 7.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 407 tons, 5.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,351 tons, 17.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 67 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,074 tons, 51.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 568 tons, 7.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 3.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,784 lbs / 6,706 Kg = 13.5 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 3.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 6.8 ft / 2.1 m
   Roll period: 15.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.22
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.08

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle
   Block coefficient: 0.650
   Length to Beam Ratio: 3.33 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 73
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -1.64 ft / -0.50 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   13.12 ft / 4.00 m (11.48 ft / 3.50 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Stern:      11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Average freeboard:   11.81 ft / 3.60 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 56.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 121.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,737 Square feet or 2,298 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 150 lbs/sq ft or 733 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.02
      - Overall: 0.96
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Korpen]

take two
      10 - 0.55" / 14.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in any sea
      6 - 0.55" / 14.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 0.30" / 7.5 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts

I suspect that both of those should be be 14cm & 7,5cm (140mm&75mm), not mm guns.

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, ERROR: no steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,979 shp / 4,460 Kw = 15.00 kts
   Range 1,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 301 tons (100% coal)

You need to klick for which type of engine you got in the ship, usally complex reciprocating or turbines (recomended).
If one do not one get zero engine weight:

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 548 tons, 7.0 %
   Armour: 2,379 tons, 30.2 %
      - Belts: 554 tons, 7.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 407 tons, 5.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,351 tons, 17.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 67 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,074 tons, 51.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 568 tons, 7.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 3.8 %

   Length to Beam Ratio: 3.33 : 1

That ship is almost round, a "normal" L:B for a CB would be between 5-6:1 i would say.

Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.02
      - Overall: 0.96
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea

With the exeption of when buildingg destroyers one should always have a overall hull strength of 1,0, less and the ship is too fragile to be built, more is just wastefull as it means you pay for weight you do not use.

[sgdn]

take three a [long range]

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1915 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   9,876 t light; 10,428 t standard; 10,625 t normal; 10,782 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 98.43 ft x 14.76 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 30.00 m  x 4.50 m

Armament:
      4 - 12.99" / 330 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,096.51lbs / 497.37kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      10 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.98kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      6 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.98kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 5,829 lbs / 2,644 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   213.25 ft / 65.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   147.64 ft / 45.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
     32.81 ft / 10.00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 83 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6,647 shp / 4,958 Kw = 15.00 kts
   Range 1,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 354 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   523 - 680

Cost:
   £1.448 million / $5.792 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 729 tons, 6.9 %
   Armour: 3,153 tons, 29.7 %
      - Belts: 962 tons, 9.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 488 tons, 4.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,622 tons, 15.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 82 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 270 tons, 2.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,425 tons, 51.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 748 tons, 7.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18,788 lbs / 8,522 Kg = 17.1 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 3.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 6.8 ft / 2.1 m
   Roll period: 15.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.15

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle
   Block coefficient: 0.650
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 39 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 74
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m (13.12 ft / 4.00 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Stern:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.52 ft / 4.12 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 63.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,685 Square feet or 2,758 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 161 lbs/sq ft or 787 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.00
      - Longitudinal: 1.83
      - Overall: 1.06
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform


is the armour a bit light ?

take tree [more armour]

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1915 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   9,781 t light; 10,333 t standard; 10,625 t normal; 10,858 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 98.43 ft x 14.76 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 30.00 m  x 4.50 m

Armament:
      4 - 12.99" / 330 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,096.51lbs / 497.37kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      10 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.98kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      6 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.98kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 5,829 lbs / 2,644 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.48" / 190 mm   213.25 ft / 65.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   147.64 ft / 45.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
     32.81 ft / 10.00 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 83 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,998 shp / 4,475 Kw = 14.59 kts
   Range 2,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 526 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   523 - 680

Cost:
   £1.438 million / $5.751 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 729 tons, 6.9 %
   Armour: 3,372 tons, 31.7 %
      - Belts: 1,181 tons, 11.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 488 tons, 4.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,622 tons, 15.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 82 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 243 tons, 2.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,137 tons, 48.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 844 tons, 7.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19,074 lbs / 8,652 Kg = 17.4 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 3.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 6.9 ft / 2.1 m
   Roll period: 15.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 86 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.16

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle
   Block coefficient: 0.650
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 74
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m (13.12 ft / 4.00 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Stern:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.52 ft / 4.12 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 62.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,685 Square feet or 2,758 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 153 lbs/sq ft or 745 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.74
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform



Miscellaneous  stuff [same on both]
25t big wireless
250 t fire con
12t half flag stuff
4t Torpedoes
9t stuff 

[Blooded]

Hello,

Or the Firanji could purchase the 4 CBBs that Russia is trying to sell.  ;)

Shameless advertising!   ;D ::)

[sgdn]

does that mean they are a appaling wast of metal let alone the paper to desine such a lump of junk

[Korpen]

Length to Beam Ratio: 4.00 : 1

Still a bit too low, I feel, but both ships are a big improvemtn on the first ones you posted :)

Machinery:
  Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
  Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6,647 shp / 4,958 Kw = 15.00 kts
  Range 1,500nm at 10.00 kts
  Bunker at max displacement = 354 tons (90% coal)

Both the 1500nm and 2500nm is a bit too short range, hardly enogh to allow the ship to go to full speed long enogh to engage.

[Korpen]

does that mean they are a appaling wast of metal let alone the paper to desine such a lump of junk

NO, they are not waste of metal, but there is room for improvemnt.
But Firanji got qute a few old BBs for costal defence and great lake duties, considred something larger?

Such as: :)
Salvation, Firanji Battleship laid down 1916

Displacement:
   16 000 t light; 16 992 t standard; 17 940 t normal; 18 699 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   518,37 ft / 518,37 ft x 82,02 ft x 25,59 ft (normal load)
   158,00 m / 158,00 m x 25,00 m  x 7,80 m

Armament:
      8 - 12,99" / 330 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1 102,31lbs / 500,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      14 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 81,57lbs / 37,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      12 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm guns (10 mounts), 11,46lbs / 5,20kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 10 098 lbs / 4 580 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   328,08 ft / 100,00 m   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
   Ends:   2,95" / 75 mm   190,29 ft / 58,00 m   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
   Upper:   4,13" / 105 mm   328,08 ft / 100,00 m   6,56 ft / 2,00 m
     Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,57" / 40 mm   328,08 ft / 100,00 m   29,53 ft / 9,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   5,91" / 150 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   2,95" / 75 mm   2,95" / 75 mm      2,95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   0,98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 13,78" / 350 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 26 253 shp / 19 585 Kw = 21,00 kts
   Range 6 500nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 707 tons

Complement:
   774 - 1 007

Cost:
   £2,876 million / $11,502 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 262 tons, 7,0 %
   Armour: 7 051 tons, 39,3 %
      - Belts: 2 941 tons, 16,4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 564 tons, 3,1 %
      - Armament: 1 680 tons, 9,4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 663 tons, 9,3 %
      - Conning Tower: 203 tons, 1,1 %
   Machinery: 978 tons, 5,5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 328 tons, 35,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 940 tons, 10,8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 380 tons, 2,1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21 197 lbs / 9 615 Kg = 19,3 x 13,0 " / 330 mm shells or 4,0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14
   Metacentric height 4,7 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 15,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,13

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,577
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,32 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18,04 ft / 5,50 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Stern:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   13,76 ft / 4,20 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97,1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98,3 %
   Waterplane Area: 30 436 Square feet or 2 828 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 154 lbs/sq ft or 754 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,28
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

Warning: Armour belts longer than ship

[sgdn]

Not really considering building its more design practice than anything

[Korpen]

Not really considering building its more design practice than anything

Well and good. Pratice makes perfect. :)

A bit of advice; it is always easier to give feedback and comments on a ship if one knows how the designer intends to employ it.
Just a line like: "Intended to give artillery support for light torpedo-attack forces in shallow waters" helps allot for anyone providing feedback on a design.
I estimate that designs with such coments get two or three times as many replies as posts consisting only of the springsharp report.

[sgdn]

New battle ship for next year maybe [it's a bit expensive]

house class, firanji bb laid down 1916

Displacement:
   20,023 t light; 21,904 t standard; 22,472 t normal; 22,927 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   524.93 ft / 524.93 ft x 98.43 ft x 26.25 ft (normal load)
   160.00 m / 160.00 m x 30.00 m  x 8.00 m

Armament:
      10 - 12.99" / 330 mm guns (5x2 guns), 1,096.51lbs / 497.37kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      10 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.98kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.98kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 12,575 lbs / 5,704 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 200
   6 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   328.08 ft / 100.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ends:   2.95" / 75 mm   164.04 ft / 50.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
     32.81 ft / 10.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   2.95" / 75 mm   328.08 ft / 100.00 m   3.28 ft / 1.00 m
     Main Belt covers 96 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   7.87" / 200 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   2.95" / 75 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   2.95" / 75 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 4.72" / 120 mm, Conning tower: 13.39" / 340 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 25,518 shp / 19,036 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 4,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,022 tons

Complement:
   917 - 1,193

Cost:
   £3.525 million / $14.101 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,572 tons, 7.0 %
   Armour: 8,588 tons, 38.2 %
      - Belts: 2,918 tons, 13.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 2,198 tons, 9.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 3,241 tons, 14.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 230 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 951 tons, 4.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,513 tons, 37.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,449 tons, 10.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     28,897 lbs / 13,108 Kg = 26.4 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 3.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.8 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 17.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.36

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.580
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.33 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.54 ft / 5.04 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 71.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 37,087 Square feet or 3,446 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 177 lbs/sq ft or 863 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.66
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Miscellaneous weights
250t fire con
25t big radio
25t flag stuff
18t torpedos 3 sets
22t medical spaces
60t climatization inc pumps [sothen octions]

[The Rock Doctor]

I'd recommend a range of no less than 6,000 nm @ 10 kts for a capital ship.

You would be good with about 100 shells per main gun.  Typical battleship actions won't last long enough to require 200.

The deck armor is very heavy for the time period; if you scale it back to ~75 - 100 mm, you could make your end belts a full 4 metres high and your upper belts 2.44 metres high (for coverage of a complete deck).  You may also want to extend the belt length so that there are no unarmored ends.

The design's pretty capable for her size, so a good starting point for refinement.

[sgdn]

Mark 2 some changes so what does every on think? Dump the 5th 330mm turret? Add a 6th is the armour? enough more range less? To slow?

house class, firanji bb laid down 1916

Displacement:
   18,986 t light; 20,355 t standard; 21,658 t normal; 22,700 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   524.93 ft / 524.93 ft x 98.43 ft x 25.30 ft (normal load)
   160.00 m / 160.00 m x 30.00 m  x 7.71 m

Armament:
      10 - 12.99" / 330 mm guns (5x2 guns), 1,096.51lbs / 497.37kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      14 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      10 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 13,077 lbs / 5,932 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 125
   6 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   360.89 ft / 110.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   164.04 ft / 50.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   328.08 ft / 100.00 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
     Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   3.94" / 100 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.18" / 30 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 30,167 shp / 22,505 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,346 tons

Complement:
   892 - 1,160

Cost:
   £3.592 million / $14.367 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,635 tons, 7.5 %
   Armour: 7,362 tons, 34.0 %
      - Belts: 3,249 tons, 15.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,890 tons, 8.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,026 tons, 9.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 198 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,124 tons, 5.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,465 tons, 39.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,672 tons, 12.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     26,628 lbs / 12,078 Kg = 24.3 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 3.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.9 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 17.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.580
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.33 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21.33 ft / 6.50 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.04 ft / 5.20 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 37,087 Square feet or 3,446 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 176 lbs/sq ft or 861 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.66
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Miscellaneous weights: 400t
0t little radio [included due to post 1/1/13 laydown date]
25t big radio
24t 24 torpedos 18" 12 ready 12 spare
25t flag spaces
25t climatization
25t medical
25t more pumps 
250t firecon

[The Rock Doctor]

The armor scheme is okay - what can you do if you do omit the fifth turret?

I'd recommend a bit of miscellaneous weight set aside for a long-range wireless, so that she can function as a flagship and communicate with headquarters or detached squadrons.

Although I find the freeboard a little low, it's a pretty powerful ship for her displacement.