Glorious French battlecruiser

[Borys]

For the new guys on board - N-verse France continues the design phylosphy which gifted the world with the following atrocities errr "striking looking" ships ...
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=1400.0

[Sachmle]

Thanks Borys, I'd ALMOST forgotten Depuy De Lome..dammit...

[maddox]

Such nice , well worked out succesfull ships.

[The Rock Doctor]

Just wait till the French master the art of non-Euclidian geometry...

[maddox]

Didn't we already?

[The Rock Doctor]

I've viewed the pictures and retained my sanity, so I think you have not.

[maddox]

The plan is working.... ;)


But, is JR worth being build?

[The Rock Doctor]

As a raider/counter-raider, perhaps.

[TexanCowboy]

I would go 3x2 instead of 2x3... just so I don't feel obligated to make a song called "Sink the Ducable".
France has triple 10.83''?

[maddox]

Yes, since 1907, Gloire II carries those.

[TexanCowboy]

And that would look more structured. May I suggest a ship with 6 10.83'' in twin turrets?

[The Rock Doctor]

If he did that, he'd just be building an Arquero...

[TexanCowboy]

Hides Transylvania redesign in corner... hey maddox, will you do it?

[maddox]

3 Twin turrets.

Me no like.

JR Ducable, French Light large armored cruiser laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   15.000 t light; 15.806 t standard; 18.228 t normal; 20.166 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   626,64 ft / 623,36 ft x 75,46 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
   191,00 m / 190,00 m x 23,00 m  x 8,00 m

Armament:
      6 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns (3x2 guns), 661,39lbs / 300,00kg shells, 1918 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (4x2 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (2x2 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1918 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1918 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 5.086 lbs / 2.307 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6,00" / 152 mm   374,02 ft / 114,00 m   14,50 ft / 4,42 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 92% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6,00" / 152 mm   5,00" / 127 mm      6,00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   3rd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   4th:   0,50" / 13 mm   0,50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 5,00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 95.408 shp / 71.175 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 9.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4.360 tons

Complement:
   783 - 1.019

Cost:
   £3,057 million / $12,229 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 602 tons, 3,3%
   Armour: 3.482 tons, 19,1%
      - Belts: 1.400 tons, 7,7%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 830 tons, 4,6%
      - Armour Deck: 1.178 tons, 6,5%
      - Conning Tower: 75 tons, 0,4%
   Machinery: 3.555 tons, 19,5%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7.011 tons, 38,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.228 tons, 17,7%
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1,9%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21.866 lbs / 9.918 Kg = 34,5 x 10,8 " / 275 mm shells or 2,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
   Metacentric height 3,8 ft / 1,2 m
   Roll period: 16,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,74
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,18

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,517
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,26 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,97 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Forecastle (22%):   22,31 ft / 6,80 m
      - Mid (60%):      22,31 ft / 6,80 m
      - Quarterdeck (18%):   22,31 ft / 6,80 m
      - Stern:      22,31 ft / 6,80 m
      - Average freeboard:   22,08 ft / 6,73 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91,5%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 172,7%
   Waterplane Area: 31.826 Square feet or 2.957 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 141 lbs/sq ft or 688 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,94
      - Longitudinal: 1,67
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

250 ton FC
25tons Long range marconi
25 ton ERADe
25 ton Crew comfort
25 ton not assigned

[Sachmle]

Try it with a long raised deck (60-70% mid break) and an AXY setup.. not so good for forward fire, better than AQY for all around fire, and better stability then ABY because the X turret isn't "raised" by SS thought process because of the extended deck. Think HMS Tiger w/ 3 turrets.