Glorious French battlecruiser

[maddox]

The expensive one.

Reputation, French Battlecruiser laid down 1916

Displacement:
   30.908 t light; 32.470 t standard; 34.952 t normal; 36.938 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   823,49 ft / 820,21 ft x 104,99 ft x 28,22 ft (normal load)
   251,00 m / 250,00 m x 32,00 m  x 8,60 m

Armament:
      6 - 13,39" / 340 mm guns (2x3 guns), 1.366,87lbs / 620,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 13,39" / 340 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1.366,87lbs / 620,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
     on centreline forward, all raised guns - superfiring
      16 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (8x2 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 11,02lbs / 5,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 12.461 lbs / 5.652 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,0" / 279 mm   508,53 ft / 155,00 m   17,25 ft / 5,26 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 95% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,25" / 32 mm   508,53 ft / 155,00 m   24,92 ft / 7,60 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,0" / 279 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      11,0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   11,0" / 279 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   3rd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 129.992 shp / 96.974 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 6.900nm at 15,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4.467 tons

Complement:
   1.277 - 1.661

Cost:
   £4,765 million / $19,062 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.372 tons, 3,9%
   Armour: 9.234 tons, 26,4%
      - Belts: 4.147 tons, 11,9%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 586 tons, 1,7%
      - Armament: 2.141 tons, 6,1%
      - Armour Deck: 2.130 tons, 6,1%
      - Conning Tower: 230 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 4.843 tons, 13,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 15.109 tons, 43,2%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4.044 tons, 11,6%
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     48.089 lbs / 21.813 Kg = 40,1 x 13,4 " / 340 mm shells or 6,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17
   Metacentric height 7,2 ft / 2,2 m
   Roll period: 16,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,46
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,504
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,81 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 28,64 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      32,81 ft / 10,00 m
      - Forecastle (22%):   20,51 ft / 6,25 m
      - Mid (50%):      20,51 ft / 6,25 m
      - Quarterdeck (16%):   20,34 ft / 6,20 m
      - Stern:      20,34 ft / 6,20 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,53 ft / 6,56 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94,8%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 175,7%
   Waterplane Area: 57.557 Square feet or 5.347 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 193 lbs/sq ft or 941 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,10
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250 ton FC
50 tons radar
25 tons large marconi
25 tons crew comfort

[maddox]

Same ship, more, but smaller main guns.

Reputation 305, French Battlecruiser laid down 1916

Displacement:
   30.958 t light; 32.470 t standard; 34.952 t normal; 36.938 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   823,49 ft / 820,21 ft x 104,99 ft x 28,22 ft (normal load)
   251,00 m / 250,00 m x 32,00 m  x 8,60 m

Armament:
      12 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (3 mounts), 865,70lbs / 392,68kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 3 raised guns - superfiring
      16 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in one mount, 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in a turret (on a barbette)
     on centreline forward, 4 raised guns - superfiring
      4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 11.912 lbs / 5.403 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,0" / 279 mm   508,53 ft / 155,00 m   17,75 ft / 5,41 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 95% of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,25" / 32 mm   508,53 ft / 155,00 m   24,92 ft / 7,60 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 129.992 shp / 96.974 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 6.900nm at 15,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4.467 tons

Complement:
   1.277 - 1.661

Cost:
   £4,905 million / $19,620 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.471 tons, 4,2%
   Armour: 9.592 tons, 27,4%
      - Belts: 4.267 tons, 12,2%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 586 tons, 1,7%
      - Armament: 2.379 tons, 6,8%
      - Armour Deck: 2.130 tons, 6,1%
      - Conning Tower: 230 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 4.843 tons, 13,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 14.702 tons, 42,1%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.994 tons, 11,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     46.911 lbs / 21.278 Kg = 54,2 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 6,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,15
   Metacentric height 7,0 ft / 2,1 m
   Roll period: 16,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,44
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,504
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,81 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 28,64 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      32,81 ft / 10,00 m
      - Forecastle (22%):   20,67 ft / 6,30 m
      - Mid (50%):      20,67 ft / 6,30 m
      - Quarterdeck (16%):   20,67 ft / 6,30 m
      - Stern:      20,34 ft / 6,20 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,71 ft / 6,62 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97,0%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 177,4%
   Waterplane Area: 57.557 Square feet or 5.347 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 187 lbs/sq ft or 914 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,06
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250 ton FC
50 tons radar
25 tons large marconi
25 tons crew comfort

[Guinness]

I think your number of mounts in the second one is off. Maybe you mean to have 4 triples?

FWIW: I think the 8x340mm design is the better one.

[maddox]

Decorrupted the second design.

Reputation 305, French Battlecruiser laid down 1916

Displacement:
   30.958 t light; 32.470 t standard; 34.952 t normal; 36.938 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   823,49 ft / 820,21 ft x 104,99 ft x 28,22 ft (normal load)
   251,00 m / 250,00 m x 32,00 m  x 8,60 m

Armament:
      12 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (4x3 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,67kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (8x2 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, all forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 11.912 lbs / 5.403 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10,0" / 254 mm   520,83 ft / 158,75 m   18,75 ft / 5,72 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 98% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,25" / 32 mm   520,83 ft / 158,75 m   24,92 ft / 7,60 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 129.992 shp / 96.974 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 6.900nm at 15,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4.467 tons

Complement:
   1.277 - 1.661

Cost:
   £4,905 million / $19,620 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.471 tons, 4,2%
   Armour: 9.946 tons, 28,5%
      - Belts: 4.177 tons, 12,0%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 600 tons, 1,7%
      - Armament: 2.808 tons, 8,0%
      - Armour Deck: 2.130 tons, 6,1%
      - Conning Tower: 230 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 4.843 tons, 13,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 14.348 tons, 41,1%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.994 tons, 11,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     46.833 lbs / 21.243 Kg = 54,1 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 6,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
   Metacentric height 6,8 ft / 2,1 m
   Roll period: 16,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,46
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,504
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,81 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 28,64 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      32,81 ft / 10,00 m
      - Forecastle (22%):   21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Mid (50%):      21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Stern:      21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Average freeboard:   22,01 ft / 6,71 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97,0%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 180,3%
   Waterplane Area: 57.557 Square feet or 5.347 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 182 lbs/sq ft or 890 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,03
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250 ton FC
50 tons radar
25 tons large marconi
25 tons crew comfort

[maddox]

With msn remarks form a few people, I shaved a bit on the first desing.

Reputation, French Battlecruiser laid down 1916

Displacement:
   30.908 t light; 32.470 t standard; 34.952 t normal; 36.938 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   823,49 ft / 820,21 ft x 104,99 ft x 28,22 ft (normal load)
   251,00 m / 250,00 m x 32,00 m  x 8,60 m

Armament:
      6 - 13,39" / 340 mm guns (2x3 guns), 1.366,87lbs / 620,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 13,39" / 340 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1.366,87lbs / 620,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
     on centreline forward, all raised guns - superfiring
      16 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (8x2 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 11,02lbs / 5,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 12.460 lbs / 5.652 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10,0" / 254 mm   508,53 ft / 155,00 m   17,50 ft / 5,33 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 95% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,25" / 32 mm   508,53 ft / 155,00 m   24,92 ft / 7,60 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,0" / 279 mm   7,00" / 178 mm      11,0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   11,0" / 279 mm   7,00" / 178 mm      11,0" / 279 mm
   3rd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm

   - Armour deck: 2,50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 129.992 shp / 96.974 Kw = 30,00 kts
   Range 6.900nm at 15,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4.467 tons

Complement:
   1.277 - 1.661

Cost:
   £4,765 million / $19,062 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.372 tons, 3,9%
   Armour: 9.241 tons, 26,4%
      - Belts: 3.824 tons, 10,9%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 586 tons, 1,7%
      - Armament: 1.939 tons, 5,5%
      - Armour Deck: 2.662 tons, 7,6%
      - Conning Tower: 230 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 4.843 tons, 13,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 15.102 tons, 43,2%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4.044 tons, 11,6%
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     48.462 lbs / 21.982 Kg = 40,4 x 13,4 " / 340 mm shells or 6,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,18
   Metacentric height 7,3 ft / 2,2 m
   Roll period: 16,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,46
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,504
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,81 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 28,64 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      32,81 ft / 10,00 m
      - Forecastle (22%):   20,51 ft / 6,25 m
      - Mid (50%):      20,51 ft / 6,25 m
      - Quarterdeck (16%):   20,34 ft / 6,20 m
      - Stern:      20,34 ft / 6,20 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,53 ft / 6,56 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94,8%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 175,7%
   Waterplane Area: 57.557 Square feet or 5.347 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 193 lbs/sq ft or 941 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,12
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250 ton FC
50 tons radar
25 tons large marconi
25 tons crew comfort

[The Rock Doctor]

None are bad; I'm not sure if I have a preference for which is best, though.  Might depend on whose battlecruisers you think you're most likely to match them against.

[maddox]

Based on the Bretagne class BB's

Reputation III, French Battlecruiser laid down 1916 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   32.455 t light; 34.063 t standard; 36.431 t normal; 38.325 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721,78 ft / 718,50 ft x 94,49 ft x 28,54 ft (normal load)
   220,00 m / 219,00 m x 28,80 m  x 8,70 m

Armament:
      8 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.807,79lbs / 820,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      12 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (6x2 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 15.615 lbs / 7.083 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   474,21 ft / 144,54 m   22,00 ft / 6,71 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 102% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,75" / 44 mm   474,21 ft / 144,54 m   27,47 ft / 8,37 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      14,0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm

   - Armour deck: 2,50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 10,00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 113.233 shp / 84.472 Kw = 28,00 kts
   Range 6.300nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4.262 tons

Complement:
   1.318 - 1.714

Cost:
   £5,374 million / $21,497 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.805 tons, 5,0%
   Armour: 12.211 tons, 33,5%
      - Belts: 5.376 tons, 14,8%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 843 tons, 2,3%
      - Armament: 3.332 tons, 9,1%
      - Armour Deck: 2.423 tons, 6,7%
      - Conning Tower: 237 tons, 0,6%
   Machinery: 4.515 tons, 12,4%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 13.524 tons, 37,1%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.976 tons, 10,9%
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     47.268 lbs / 21.440 Kg = 28,2 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells or 6,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 5,5 ft / 1,7 m
   Roll period: 16,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,84
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,658
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,80 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,53 ft / 9,00 m
      - Forecastle (18%):   23,62 ft / 7,20 m
      - Mid (50%):      23,62 ft / 7,20 m
      - Quarterdeck (16%):   22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Stern:      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   23,83 ft / 7,26 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100,4%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 177,6%
   Waterplane Area: 52.390 Square feet or 4.867 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 182 lbs/sq ft or 890 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,30
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Elongated Marad B, with AoN armoring, sloped 10°

400 tons misc weight is divided  between FC, a set of ears and crew comfort.

[maddox]

I like this one a lot.

Montmedy, French battlecruiser laid down 1916

Displacement:
   30.384 t light; 32.401 t standard; 35.673 t normal; 38.290 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   793,96 ft / 787,40 ft x 104,99 ft x 30,51 ft (normal load)
   242,00 m / 240,00 m x 32,00 m  x 9,30 m

Armament:
      8 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.807,79lbs / 820,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      10 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (4 mounts), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      6 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 15.451 lbs / 7.008 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   482,28 ft / 147,00 m   19,00 ft / 5,79 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 94% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   482,28 ft / 147,00 m   26,85 ft / 8,18 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm

   - Armour deck: 2,25" / 57 mm, Conning tower: 12,00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 101.904 shp / 76.020 Kw = 28,00 kts
   Range 8.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 5.890 tons

Complement:
   1.297 - 1.687

Cost:
   £5,066 million / $20,264 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.787 tons, 5,0%
   Armour: 10.519 tons, 29,5%
      - Belts: 4.755 tons, 13,3%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 719 tons, 2,0%
      - Armament: 2.484 tons, 7,0%
      - Armour Deck: 2.282 tons, 6,4%
      - Conning Tower: 280 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 3.797 tons, 10,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 13.881 tons, 38,9%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.289 tons, 14,8%
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     45.219 lbs / 20.511 Kg = 27,0 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells or 6,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,17
   Metacentric height 7,3 ft / 2,2 m
   Roll period: 16,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,44
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,495
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 28,06 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      32,81 ft / 10,00 m
      - Forecastle (24%):   17,72 ft / 5,40 m
      - Mid (50%):      17,72 ft / 5,40 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Stern:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,72 ft / 5,71 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93,0%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139,6%
   Waterplane Area: 54.830 Square feet or 5.094 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 187 lbs/sq ft or 914 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,06
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250 tons FC
50 tons ears
25 tons long range marconi
75 tons crew comfort

Armor belt sloped 12°

[maddox]

A Dutch inspired model.
See  this topic
But ommiting the torpedos.

She's also the cheapest model in this tread. Unfortunatly, only 3 yards capable building her. Brest . The 2 docks in Halifax, and the ultra large dock in Marseilles.

It does everything , including making French Fries.

Pays bas, French Tin clad BC laid down 1916

Displacement:
   24.802 t light; 26.022 t standard; 28.668 t normal; 30.785 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   885,83 ft / 882,55 ft x 88,58 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
   270,00 m / 269,00 m x 27,00 m  x 8,00 m

Armament:
      9 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns (3x3 guns), 661,39lbs / 300,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (8x2 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 7.476 lbs / 3.391 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4,50" / 114 mm   629,26 ft / 191,80 m   19,00 ft / 5,79 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 110% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   629,26 ft / 191,80 m   22,73 ft / 6,93 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8,00" / 203 mm   6,00" / 152 mm      8,00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm

   - Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 8,00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 139.951 shp / 104.403 Kw = 32,00 kts
   Range 7.200nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4.763 tons

Complement:
   1.101 - 1.432

Cost:
   £3,834 million / $15,335 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 887 tons, 3,1%
   Armour: 5.943 tons, 20,7%
      - Belts: 2.208 tons, 7,7%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 794 tons, 2,8%
      - Armament: 1.349 tons, 4,7%
      - Armour Deck: 1.431 tons, 5,0%
      - Conning Tower: 161 tons, 0,6%
   Machinery: 5.214 tons, 18,2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 12.434 tons, 43,4%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.866 tons, 13,5%
   Miscellaneous weights: 325 tons, 1,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     40.418 lbs / 18.333 Kg = 63,7 x 10,8 " / 275 mm shells or 5,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,22
   Metacentric height 6,0 ft / 1,8 m
   Roll period: 15,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,53
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,43

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,489
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,96 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 29,71 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      32,68 ft / 9,96 m
      - Forecastle (19%):   22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (10%):   22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Stern:      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   23,69 ft / 7,22 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109,6%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 204,9%
   Waterplane Area: 51.573 Square feet or 4.791 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 163 lbs/sq ft or 795 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,03
      - Longitudinal: 0,98
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Belt sloped 12°

250 tons fire control
50 tons ears
25 tons long range marconi

[The Rock Doctor]

But there's no miscellaneous weight set aside for a deep-fryer...

[maddox]

Oeps. You're right Rocky. 

Added the Gran Colombian cooking utensil.

Pays bas, French Tin clad BC laid down 1916

Displacement:
   24.802 t light; 26.022 t standard; 28.668 t normal; 30.785 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   885,83 ft / 882,55 ft x 88,58 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
   270,00 m / 269,00 m x 27,00 m  x 8,00 m

Armament:
      9 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns (3x3 guns), 661,39lbs / 300,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (8x2 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1916 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 7.476 lbs / 3.391 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4,50" / 114 mm   629,26 ft / 191,80 m   19,00 ft / 5,79 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 110% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   629,26 ft / 191,80 m   22,73 ft / 6,93 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8,00" / 203 mm   6,00" / 152 mm      8,00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm

   - Armour deck: 1,50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 8,00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 139.951 shp / 104.403 Kw = 32,00 kts
   Range 7.200nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4.763 tons

Complement:
   1.101 - 1.432

Cost:
   £3,834 million / $15,335 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 887 tons, 3,1%
   Armour: 5.943 tons, 20,7%
      - Belts: 2.208 tons, 7,7%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 794 tons, 2,8%
      - Armament: 1.349 tons, 4,7%
      - Armour Deck: 1.431 tons, 5,0%
      - Conning Tower: 161 tons, 0,6%
   Machinery: 5.214 tons, 18,2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 12.431 tons, 43,4%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.866 tons, 13,5%
   Miscellaneous weights: 328 tons, 1,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     40.404 lbs / 18.327 Kg = 63,7 x 10,8 " / 275 mm shells or 5,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,22
   Metacentric height 6,0 ft / 1,8 m
   Roll period: 15,2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,53
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,43

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,489
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,96 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 29,71 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      32,68 ft / 9,96 m
      - Forecastle (19%):   22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (10%):   22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Stern:      22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   23,69 ft / 7,22 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109,6%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 204,9%
   Waterplane Area: 51.573 Square feet or 4.791 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 163 lbs/sq ft or 795 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,03
      - Longitudinal: 0,98
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Belt sloped 12°

250 tons fire control
50 tons ears
25 tons long range marconi
2.5 tons for a Gran colombian supplier Deep Friar.

[The Rock Doctor]

Much better.

[maddox]

 :D

[P3D]

Hopefully no one assumes that France is naming its battlecruisers from her future provinces.  :P

BTW I have some suggestions for the names of the sister ships: Catalogne, Piedmont and Baviere.  ;)

[maddox]

Actualy, I had a class of 6 in mind.

Cap-Occidental is another of the Pays-Bas sisters. And number 6 could be Carthagène des Indes.