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[ledeper]

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nord ostsee 1916 eng, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   27.792 t light; 29.274 t standard; 32.100 t normal; 34.361 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721,44 ft / 717,68 ft x 96,78 ft x 32,81 ft (normal load)
   219,90 m / 218,75 m x 29,50 m  x 10,00 m

Armament:
      9 - 13,78" / 350 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1.308,20lbs / 593,39kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (8x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      12 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 13.445 lbs / 6.098 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   466,50 ft / 142,19 m   13,48 ft / 4,11 m
   Ends:   1,97" / 50 mm   251,18 ft / 76,56 m   12,50 ft / 3,81 m
   Upper:   3,94" / 100 mm   466,50 ft / 142,19 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      0,98" / 25 mm   466,50 ft / 142,19 m   27,03 ft / 8,24 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   7,87" / 200 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   0,98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3,94" / 100 mm, Conning tower: 11,81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 97.974 shp / 73.089 Kw = 28,00 kts
   Range 10.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 5.087 tons

Complement:
   1.198 - 1.558

Cost:
   £4,212 million / $16,846 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.681 tons, 5,2 %
   Armour: 10.101 tons, 31,5 %
      - Belts: 4.035 tons, 12,6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 459 tons, 1,4 %
      - Armament: 2.000 tons, 6,2 %
      - Armour Deck: 3.349 tons, 10,4 %
      - Conning Tower: 257 tons, 0,8 %
   Machinery: 3.650 tons, 11,4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11.860 tons, 36,9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4.308 tons, 13,4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1,6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     36.407 lbs / 16.514 Kg = 27,8 x 13,8 " / 350 mm shells or 5,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14
   Metacentric height 6,1 ft / 1,9 m
   Roll period: 16,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,493
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,42 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,79 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21,33 ft / 6,50 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Stern:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16,80 ft / 5,12 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99,0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119,9 %
   Waterplane Area: 45.987 Square feet or 4.272 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 184 lbs/sq ft or 898 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,18
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

or this?:

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916

Displacement:
   28.035 t light; 29.542 t standard; 33.402 t normal; 36.490 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721,44 ft / 717,68 ft x 96,78 ft x 32,81 ft (normal load)
   219,90 m / 218,75 m x 29,50 m  x 10,00 m

Armament:
      9 - 13,78" / 350 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1.308,20lbs / 593,39kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (8x2 guns), 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      10 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 13.441 lbs / 6.097 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   465,98 ft / 142,03 m   12,80 ft / 3,90 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   5,91" / 150 mm   465,98 ft / 142,03 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      0,98" / 25 mm   465,98 ft / 142,03 m   29,00 ft / 8,84 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   5,91" / 150 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   0,98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3,94" / 100 mm, Conning tower: 11,81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric cruising motors plus geared drives, 4 shafts, 101.181 shp / 75.481 Kw = 28,00 kts
   Range 10.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6.948 tons

Complement:
   1.234 - 1.605

Cost:
   £4,779 million / $19,115 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.680 tons, 5,0 %
   Armour: 10.007 tons, 30,0 %
      - Belts: 3.960 tons, 11,9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 492 tons, 1,5 %
      - Armament: 1.880 tons, 5,6 %
      - Armour Deck: 3.411 tons, 10,2 %
      - Conning Tower: 264 tons, 0,8 %
   Machinery: 3.770 tons, 11,3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11.828 tons, 35,4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.367 tons, 16,1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 750 tons, 2,2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     38.216 lbs / 17.335 Kg = 29,2 x 13,8 " / 350 mm shells or 5,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16
   Metacentric height 6,2 ft / 1,9 m
   Roll period: 16,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,44
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,513
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,42 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,79 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21,33 ft / 6,50 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Stern:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16,80 ft / 5,12 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97,6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118,6 %
   Waterplane Area: 46.834 Square feet or 4.351 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 181 lbs/sq ft or 882 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,17
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

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[Logi]

The second.

[Jefgte]

 ???

Minor differences between them...

[Logi]

Exactly.

[Tanthalas]

I would say they are so close it dosnt matter.

[Jefgte]

why 750t misc weight in the 2nd - 500t are enought  ???

[Jefgte]

I would say they are so close it dosnt matter.

Yes, made a mixture of them or add the 2 & divid by 2


:D

[Sachmle]

Your turret armour on both is a little lacking, but the 2nd especially. Also 25mm TDS is almost pointless. Your deck is thick to the point that it can stop shells at WWII range..and could be thinned to 75mm and still be very effective at the current battle ranges. Other than that the increased range makes the 2nd a better choice in my mind. Never hurts to be able to go where you want.