Battleships

[maddox]

The fleet addition of 1909.  Refit 1917

Valeur, French Battleship laid down 1906 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   17.541 t light; 18.559 t standard; 20.285 t normal; 21.666 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   498,69 ft / 492,13 ft x 88,58 ft x 27,89 ft (normal load)
   152,00 m / 150,00 m x 27,00 m  x 8,50 m

Armament:
      6 - 13,39" / 340 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1.322,77lbs / 600,00kg shells, 1905 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      12 - 7,68" / 195 mm guns (6x2 guns), 226,24lbs / 102,62kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      6 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1914 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 10.661 lbs / 4.836 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,0" / 279 mm   320,00 ft / 97,54 m   11,29 ft / 3,44 m
   Ends:   8,00" / 203 mm   172,00 ft / 52,43 m   11,29 ft / 3,44 m
   Upper:   8,00" / 203 mm   320,00 ft / 97,54 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   500,00 ft / 152,40 m   25,00 ft / 7,62 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,0" / 279 mm   9,00" / 229 mm      9,00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   8,00" / 203 mm   5,00" / 127 mm      5,00" / 127 mm
   3rd:   0,50" / 13 mm   0,50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11,00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 24.157 shp / 18.021 Kw = 20,00 kts
   Range 6.000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.106 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   849 - 1.104

Cost:
   £1,825 million / $7,298 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.240 tons, 6,1%
   Armour: 7.319 tons, 36,1%
      - Belts: 3.249 tons, 16,0%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 694 tons, 3,4%
      - Armament: 2.038 tons, 10,0%
      - Armour Deck: 1.162 tons, 5,7%
      - Conning Tower: 176 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 1.208 tons, 6,0%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7.325 tons, 36,1%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.744 tons, 13,5%
   Miscellaneous weights: 450 tons, 2,2%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     26.774 lbs / 12.144 Kg = 22,3 x 13,4 " / 340 mm shells or 5,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
   Metacentric height 4,8 ft / 1,5 m
   Roll period: 16,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,63
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,40

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0,584
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,56 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26,90 ft / 8,20 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      16,40 ft / 5,00 m (15,52 ft / 4,73 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   15,52 ft / 4,73 m
      - Stern:      15,52 ft / 4,73 m
      - Average freeboard:   17,69 ft / 5,39 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88,2%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 117,6%
   Waterplane Area: 31.410 Square feet or 2.918 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 168 lbs/sq ft or 821 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 1,92
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Removed tertiary and quartiary armaments, put on some AA guns.

450 tons misc weight

250 ton FC
25 ton ERADe
25 ton long range Marconi
50 ton damage control
100 ton crew comfort

Edited to remove spelling mistakes.

[maddox]

The old battleships, given a rebuild in 1902 and a refit in 1911.

Magenta/Marceau, France Battleship laid down 1887 (Engine 1902)

Displacement:
   13.033 t light; 13.651 t standard; 15.166 t normal; 16.377 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393,12 ft / 380,00 ft x 75,00 ft (Bulges 80,71 ft) x 27,00 ft (normal load)
   119,82 m / 115,82 m x 22,86 m (Bulges 24,60 m)  x 8,23 m

Armament:
      4 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns (2x2 guns), 705,48lbs / 320,00kg shells, 1887 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 10,83" / 275 mm guns in single mounts, 705,48lbs / 320,00kg shells, 1887 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      10 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1902 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     6 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      14 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1902 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
      6 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1902 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 5.308 lbs / 2.408 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12,6" / 320 mm   278,87 ft / 85,00 m   10,40 ft / 3,17 m
   Ends:   5,91" / 150 mm   101,12 ft / 30,82 m   10,40 ft / 3,17 m
   Upper:   5,91" / 150 mm   247,01 ft / 75,29 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 113% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
      0,79" / 20 mm   278,87 ft / 85,00 m   25,85 ft / 7,88 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,6" / 320 mm   8,66" / 220 mm      8,66" / 220 mm
   2nd:   12,6" / 320 mm   8,66" / 220 mm      8,66" / 220 mm
   3rd:   1,97" / 50 mm   1,18" / 30 mm            -
   4th:   1,18" / 30 mm   1,18" / 30 mm            -
   5th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,76" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 12,60" / 320 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 15.153 ihp / 11.304 Kw = 18,00 kts
   Range 9.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2.725 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   683 - 888

Cost:
   £1,263 million / $5,052 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 578 tons, 3,8%
   Armour: 4.966 tons, 32,7%
      - Belts: 2.351 tons, 15,5%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 210 tons, 1,4%
      - Armament: 1.135 tons, 7,5%
      - Armour Deck: 1.104 tons, 7,3%
      - Conning Tower: 166 tons, 1,1%
   Machinery: 2.296 tons, 15,1%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.943 tons, 32,6%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.132 tons, 14,1%
   Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 1,6%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16.422 lbs / 7.449 Kg = 27,1 x 10,8 " / 275 mm shells or 2,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19
   Metacentric height 4,5 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 16,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,39
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,44

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,641
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4,71 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 13,12 ft / 4,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21,65 ft / 6,60 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   18,00 ft / 5,49 m
      - Mid (50%):      16,00 ft / 4,88 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   16,00 ft / 4,88 m
      - Stern:      16,00 ft / 4,88 m
      - Average freeboard:   16,99 ft / 5,18 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109,6%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99,4%
   Waterplane Area: 21.653 Square feet or 2.012 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 155 lbs/sq ft or 754 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,90
      - Longitudinal: 2,57
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

After a very expensive rebuild in 1902, the 2 ships of the Neptune class are again front line units, albeit slow.

Increased speed, increased range for indian ocean and pacific use.
New shells, new armor and bulged for  better underwater protection.
A higher bow makes these ships more comfortable,and the 250 tons of misc weight is used on a marconi set, a set of Ears and comfort increasing messures.

[maddox]

The Greater Napoleon

Outraged by allegations of New Swiss sailors that "French ships don't float, they are simply repelled by the seas because of their ugliness", the Minister of Defence DeCreme was thinking of a suitable way to retaliate.
One evening, during dinner in an expensive restaurant in Paris he touched on the subject in the presence of his aides and other dignitaries. A Chief Accountant of the Navy Department saw his chance to bring forth his own genius idea. He took two napkins and his pen, and drew on both napkins the outlines of the ships that are currently being laid down as France's largest: the Napoleon class.
One of the napkins he tore in two halves and laid them apart next to each other, the second napkin he tore in 3 parts and he took the middle of them, placed it between the 2 halves of the first napkin and proudly exlaimed: "Voila, see here the Greater Napoleon !".
"As 3 ships of this class are currently being laid down we could easily use the necessary parts of one of them in order to enlarge another, without adding more immediate costs and workload. This ship would indeed become the largest ever built, the second one - donor for the greater one- could wait for new parts, and the third ship of the class will be built on schedule."

In the following months the work steadily progressed, but disgruntled voices reared up their little ugly heads as the Minister diverted more and more resources towards the ever-hungry enlarged shipyard in order to give substance to his great idea. Experienced engineers sadly tossed their heads, threw their hands into the air with exasperation, and muttered under their breaths: "It won't work. What was this madman thinking of ? Where did he get his grade of engineering ?" Most - if not all -  of the whiners got sacked or were banned to minor projects like fishing sloops. Those who praised the Minister for his genius and foresight got the juicy assignments and were able to give birth to their own little pet projects.

After completion the Greater Napoleon was ready for her Maiden Trip and the Foreign Minister proudly embarked her on a glorious sunny Autumn day in order to be present at history being made. As the Greater Napoleon left the harbour the weather was pleasant enough and the invited notables, admirals, shipbuilders and assorted sycophants on board marvelled at the view and the marine splendour while being served caviar and champagne on the wide mid-deck, under the shadow of the giant barrels of the middle turret. Escort ships whisteld and sounded their horns, flashed heliographs and banners, as if to announce to the wide open seas that grandeur has finally made her appearance.
Then, disaster struck, as most disasters are wont to do, by starting all gently and innocent like. The weather slowly worsened, the ship started to buck a bit, small wavelets called in their larger siblings, and people started to notice that there was a definite lurch to the slender ship's movements. The onset of rain caused the guests to move to the great messhall, where it became impossible for those with the knowledge to start noticing a problem enfolding itself...
Approximately in the center of the hull large cracks appeared, in but a few moments the hull was ruptured and broken. Cold seawater entered the engine rooms, which caused the large boilers to explode, and every manjack present who wasn't killed outright by the blast was boiled alive like lobsters. With the keel broken the ship crawled unsteadily back to the harbour, and it's signalmen started sending out distress signals towards the other vessels that had accompanied the Greater Napoleon, but suddenly they were ordered to stop all signaling and to request to the nearest vessel to take the Minister on board and towards safety. The maneuvering needed for that, and the delay in signalling for further help requests that ensued, was later to be revealed as costing several other people's lives... those of the brave and valliant men who were doing their best to contain the damage in the exploded boiler room.

In the end the Greater Napoleon did manage to limp back to port in tow, where she promptly settled on the bottom of her dock. And thus history was made indeed.

After the Debacle of the maiden trip of greater Napoleon Minister DeCreme, full of anger and pain about this failure , was desperatly searching a way to eradicate the achilesheel of greater Napoleon. A subtile, but international call to all the naval engineers was send out.
The UNK enginering firm and shipbuilders Vickers did send in what they tought was the flaw, and their solution for it.

They stated that the Q turret was the main culprit of the weak hull. The weight of the turret, the barbette and the engines around it was to big for the slender central hull to support, especialy with a keel of a 460 foot ship in a 660 foot monster. The easiest solution is to give the central hull more floating capacity.
The first solution was to use a 10 000 tons floating drydock. But that would limit the speed so much it was discarded.
The more elegant solution is to bolt on cork filled streamlined pontoons to the hull.

This rather cheap, but functional solution will be build as soon as possible.
To make the wet foredeck dryer an Atlantique Bow will be installed.

Greater Napoleon in her best days, the trip to the Peace Fleet in the South Chinese sea.

FS Greater Napoleon, France Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   26.978 t light; 28.501 t standard; 31.058 t normal; 33.103 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   660,00 ft / 660,00 ft x 82,00 ft (Bulges 100,00 ft) x 27,00 ft (normal load)
   201,17 m / 201,17 m x 24,99 m (Bulges 30,48 m)  x 8,23 m

Armament:
     6 - 13,39" / 340 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1.199,24lbs / 543,97kg shells, 1900 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
     8 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 865,70lbs / 392,67kg shells, 1900 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
     12 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83,72lbs / 37,97kg shells, 1900 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     16 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1900 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     24 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm guns in single mounts, 3,17lbs / 1,44kg shells, 1900 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 15.369 lbs / 6.971 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14,3" / 363 mm   400,00 ft / 121,92 m   7,50 ft / 2,29 m
   Ends:   5,50" / 140 mm   260,00 ft / 79,25 m   7,50 ft / 2,29 m
   Upper:   2,00" / 51 mm   400,00 ft / 121,92 m   4,00 ft / 1,22 m
     Main Belt covers 93% of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,5" / 368 mm   11,0" / 279 mm      8,75" / 222 mm
   2nd:   14,5" / 368 mm   11,0" / 279 mm      8,75" / 222 mm
   3rd:   2,00" / 51 mm         -               -

  - Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 13,80" / 351 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 35.077 ihp / 26.168 Kw = 21,00 kts
   Range 6.000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4.603 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1.169 - 1.520

Cost:
   £3,325 million / $13,301 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.921 tons, 6,2%
   Armour: 7.899 tons, 25,4%
      - Belts: 2.392 tons, 7,7%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 2.996 tons, 9,6%
      - Armour Deck: 2.217 tons, 7,1%
      - Conning Tower: 294 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 5.481 tons, 17,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11.677 tons, 37,6%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4.080 tons, 13,1%
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22.553 lbs / 10.230 Kg = 18,8 x 13,4 " / 340 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,11
   Metacentric height 4,5 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 19,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,49
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,08

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0,610
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25,69 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25,00 ft / 7,62 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   18,00 ft / 5,49 m
      - Mid (50%):      14,00 ft / 4,27 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   12,00 ft / 3,66 m (14,00 ft / 4,27 m before break)
      - Stern:      12,00 ft / 3,66 m
      - Average freeboard:   15,66 ft / 4,77 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106,0%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97,1%
   Waterplane Area: 39.954 Square feet or 3.712 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 199 lbs/sq ft or 974 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,10
      - Longitudinal: 0,98
      - Overall: 1,01
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Some extra information.


The Taal volcanic explosion  ended this Great Ship.

The end of Greater Napoleon

Christmass day 1901, The big warship Greater Napoleon sitting high on the beach, the stern crushed on a rock outcrop.

The devestation around is enormous, 200 meters beyond the stern only the biggest palmtrees are standing, and only a few shelteres hardy busches can be called a bush. This desolate area goes as far as the  look outs in the crows nests can see.  

The bay of Saigon is still muddy , the  escort ships for Greater Napoleon milling around. No news forthcomming trough the Marconi instalation on GN.


New years day, after extensive repairs on the Marconi instalation and the arrival of the sloop L'Endeavor in Touranne communication is restored.

1 march 1902. After 3 months of inspecting and provisional repairs no French engineer worth his salt would agree in towing Greater Napoleon of the beach.
The cork filled pontoons are  ripped off for more than 80%.
1 shaft is completely out of allignment. Even trying to make revolutions would rip out the tunnel and brackets. The middle boiler room is again exposed to the sea, and no temporary repair can restore integrity.
The Q turret is jammed and a crack in the hardened face of the barbette is extending from the top edge to the magazine.

All damage can be brought back to the weak point of the ship. A 460 foot keel in a 660 foot ship. Again the keel is cracked. 1 place just before the rudderpost. The middle break,already a repaired spot after the maiden trip, between the Q turret and middle boiler room, and the 3th buckled part is just behind the front turret.

The report to the ministry of Defence France gave Monsieur Palpaté one of his rare outburst of rage.

After deliberations, and reviewing a lot of plans, a partial salvage is the prefered option. Stripping the hull of the 340 mm turrets and as much armorplate as possible and reusing them for new ships.

The rest of the huge ship will be gutted, and a 10 meter thick reinforced concrete wall will be poured around so it becomes a fortress.  The 4 305 mm turrets and all the lighter guns will stay, and the bay will be converted to a support base for the French navy.

1 advanced corps  will be posted in the New Greater Napoleon Fortress.

[maddox]

The rebuild starting in 1917 will reclass her.
The original stats are here

Napoleon the Great, French battleship laid down 1903 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   21.087 t light; 22.097 t standard; 24.076 t normal; 25.659 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   620,08 ft / 613,52 ft x 82,02 ft (Bulges 95,14 ft) x 26,25 ft (normal load)
   189,00 m / 187,00 m x 25,00 m (Bulges 29,00 m)  x 8,00 m

Armament:
      6 - 13,39" / 340 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1.322,77lbs / 600,00kg shells, 1899 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      2 - 13,39" / 340 mm guns in single mounts, 1.322,77lbs / 600,00kg shells, 1899 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      10 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1903 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side ends, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 11.517 lbs / 5.224 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 80

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   435,00 ft / 132,59 m   12,25 ft / 3,73 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   3,00" / 76 mm   337,43 ft / 102,85 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 109% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
      1,50" / 38 mm   435,00 ft / 132,59 m   25,00 ft / 7,62 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   8,00" / 203 mm      8,00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   12,0" / 305 mm   8,00" / 203 mm      8,00" / 203 mm
   3rd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   4th:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12,00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 78.826 shp / 58.804 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 6.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.562 tons

Complement:
   966 - 1.256

Cost:
   £2,245 million / $8,982 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.305 tons, 5,4%
   Armour: 6.974 tons, 29,0%
      - Belts: 3.056 tons, 12,7%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 604 tons, 2,5%
      - Armament: 1.799 tons, 7,5%
      - Armour Deck: 1.299 tons, 5,4%
      - Conning Tower: 216 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 2.937 tons, 12,2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9.521 tons, 39,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.989 tons, 12,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1,5%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     27.396 lbs / 12.427 Kg = 22,8 x 13,4 " / 340 mm shells or 4,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,09
   Metacentric height 4,4 ft / 1,3 m
   Roll period: 19,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,59
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,14

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,550
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,45 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,53 ft / 9,00 m
      - Forecastle (30%):   26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Mid (45%):      17,68 ft / 5,39 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   17,68 ft / 5,39 m
      - Stern:      17,68 ft / 5,39 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,29 ft / 6,49 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108,2%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 130,5%
   Waterplane Area: 35.119 Square feet or 3.263 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 177 lbs/sq ft or 863 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,57
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

The extensive rebuild of NtG

Lengthened, with 21 meters, part of that is in the new ,higher bow, the rest aft of Q turret.
The space is used for new engines and oil fired boilers.
Re-arranged armor, removal of end armor, thinning of upper armor
Replaced the 275mm twins with single 340mm turrets
Tertiary armament changed from 12 casemated 105 to 10 140mm single mount and hoist .



The misc weight.
250 tons FC
25 tons large marconi
25 tons ERADe
50 tons crew comfort

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The 1910 addition to the French Battlefleet.

Superbe, French Glorious Battleship laid down 1906 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   29.918 t light; 31.928 t standard; 36.331 t normal; 39.854 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   611,88 ft / 606,96 ft x 108,27 ft x 29,36 ft (normal load)
   186,50 m / 185,00 m x 33,00 m  x 8,95 m

Armament:
      8 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.750,00lbs / 793,79kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 7,68" / 195 mm guns in single mounts, 260,00lbs / 117,93kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      14 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1906 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts
      4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 12,00lbs / 5,44kg shells, 1906 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 18.568 lbs / 8.422 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   420,00 ft / 128,02 m   12,50 ft / 3,81 m
   Ends:   6,00" / 152 mm   186,00 ft / 56,69 m   12,50 ft / 3,81 m
     0,96 ft / 0,29 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   8,00" / 203 mm   420,00 ft / 128,02 m   14,00 ft / 4,27 m
     Main Belt covers 106% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2,50" / 64 mm   450,00 ft / 137,16 m   30,00 ft / 9,14 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   12,0" / 305 mm      14,0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   8,00" / 203 mm   2,00" / 51 mm      2,00" / 51 mm
   3rd:   3,00" / 76 mm   2,00" / 51 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   4th:   1,00" / 25 mm   1,00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 14,00" / 356 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 33.678 shp / 25.124 Kw = 20,00 kts
   Range 7.500nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 7.926 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1.315 - 1.710

Cost:
   £3,102 million / $12,407 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2.165 tons, 6,0%
   Armour: 13.781 tons, 37,9%
      - Belts: 5.812 tons, 16,0%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1.249 tons, 3,4%
      - Armament: 3.572 tons, 9,8%
      - Armour Deck: 2.817 tons, 7,8%
      - Conning Tower: 331 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 1.684 tons, 4,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 12.038 tons, 33,1%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6.413 tons, 17,7%
   Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 0,7%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     55.764 lbs / 25.294 Kg = 33,3 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells or 10,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,24
   Metacentric height 8,4 ft / 2,6 m
   Roll period: 15,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,45

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,659
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,61 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,64 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4,92 ft / 1,50 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,53 ft / 9,00 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      17,26 ft / 5,26 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   17,26 ft / 5,26 m
      - Stern:      17,26 ft / 5,26 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,89 ft / 5,76 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76,0%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131,0%
   Waterplane Area: 50.757 Square feet or 4.715 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 183 lbs/sq ft or 894 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,43
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

100 tons ears
100 tons crew comfort
50 tons of admirals "extra comfort"

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The 1912 addition to the French fleet of battleships.

Marat/Robbespiere, French Dreadnought laid down 1909

Displacement:
   24.177 t light; 25.679 t standard; 29.255 t normal; 32.116 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   564,30 ft / 557,74 ft x 94,49 ft x 29,53 ft (normal load)
   172,00 m / 170,00 m x 28,80 m  x 9,00 m

Armament:
      8 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.807,79lbs / 820,00kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      18 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts
      4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 11,02lbs / 5,00kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 16.177 lbs / 7.338 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   362,53 ft / 110,50 m   15,00 ft / 4,57 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   195,19 ft / 59,49 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
   Upper:   8,00" / 203 mm   362,53 ft / 110,50 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   400,00 ft / 121,92 m   30,00 ft / 9,14 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      1,00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 12,00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 29.742 shp / 22.187 Kw = 20,00 kts
   Range 7.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6.437 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1.117 - 1.453

Cost:
   £2,624 million / $10,495 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.868 tons, 6,4%
   Armour: 10.721 tons, 36,6%
      - Belts: 4.953 tons, 16,9%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 666 tons, 2,3%
      - Armament: 2.600 tons, 8,9%
      - Armour Deck: 2.257 tons, 7,7%
      - Conning Tower: 245 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 1.487 tons, 5,1%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9.850 tons, 33,7%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.078 tons, 17,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 250 tons, 0,9%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     39.635 lbs / 17.978 Kg = 23,7 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells or 6,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
   Metacentric height 5,8 ft / 1,8 m
   Roll period: 16,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,70
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,47

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,658
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,90 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27,89 ft / 8,50 m
      - Forecastle (15%):   18,04 ft / 5,50 m
      - Mid (50%):      17,39 ft / 5,30 m
      - Quarterdeck (20%):   16,54 ft / 5,04 m
      - Stern:      16,54 ft / 5,04 m
      - Average freeboard:   17,89 ft / 5,45 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83,8%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 120,4%
   Waterplane Area: 40.668 Square feet or 3.778 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 179 lbs/sq ft or 874 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,94
      - Longitudinal: 1,61
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

The successors of the Valeur class.
The 250 tons misc are  a set of Ears and a flag bridge.
Of course, crew comfort is important too. Insulation heating and ventilation of the crew quarters is important

The  18 140mm guns do have the combination of punch and speed of action.
Increase of armor protection, especialy underwater protection was very important in the design. The lessons from the Pacific war are digested.

The 4 70mm QF guns are mounted with defence against the flying spies-airships- in mind.         

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1913 Brings us this beauty of naval might.

DeCreme, French Glorious Dreadnaught laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   35.115 t light; 37.199 t standard; 42.776 t normal; 47.238 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721,78 ft / 715,22 ft x 121,39 ft x 29,53 ft (normal load)
   220,00 m / 218,00 m x 37,00 m  x 9,00 m

Armament:
      10 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (5x2 guns), 1.807,79lbs / 820,00kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
      5 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      12 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
      10 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 12,00lbs / 5,44kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 19.772 lbs / 8.968 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14,5" / 368 mm   464,90 ft / 141,70 m   13,22 ft / 4,03 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   250,31 ft / 76,29 m   13,22 ft / 4,03 m
   Upper:   8,00" / 203 mm   464,90 ft / 141,70 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   464,90 ft / 141,70 m   27,64 ft / 8,42 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15,0" / 381 mm   12,0" / 305 mm      15,0" / 381 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   3rd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      2,00" / 51 mm
   4th:   1,00" / 25 mm   0,50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 15,00" / 381 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 42.128 shp / 31.428 Kw = 21,00 kts
   Range 6.350nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 10.038 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1.486 - 1.933

Cost:
   £3,442 million / $13,769 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2.284 tons, 5,3%
   Armour: 14.443 tons, 33,8%
      - Belts: 5.734 tons, 13,4%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 713 tons, 1,7%
      - Armament: 4.128 tons, 9,7%
      - Armour Deck: 3.472 tons, 8,1%
      - Conning Tower: 395 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 2.106 tons, 4,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 15.932 tons, 37,2%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7.661 tons, 17,9%
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 0,8%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     73.756 lbs / 33.455 Kg = 44,1 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells or 13,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,23
   Metacentric height 9,7 ft / 3,0 m
   Roll period: 16,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,584
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,89 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,74 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      32,15 ft / 9,80 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   21,33 ft / 6,50 m
      - Mid (50%):      18,80 ft / 5,73 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   18,80 ft / 5,73 m
      - Stern:      18,80 ft / 5,73 m
      - Average freeboard:   20,55 ft / 6,26 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69,6%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155,4%
   Waterplane Area: 62.556 Square feet or 5.812 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 200 lbs/sq ft or 976 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,25
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250 tons FC
50 tons ears
50 tons admiral quarters

A primitive attempt of me using Paint and mangling Superbe.

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Early 1915 brings the next class of BB's.

Bretagne/Alsace/Lorraine/Provence, French Battleship laid down 1912 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   23.954 t light; 25.572 t standard; 28.113 t normal; 30.146 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557,74 ft / 554,46 ft x 94,49 ft x 28,54 ft (normal load)
   170,00 m / 169,00 m x 28,80 m  x 8,70 m

Armament:
      8 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.807,79lbs / 820,00kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      12 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 11,02lbs / 5,00kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 15.617 lbs / 7.084 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   332,68 ft / 101,40 m   15,00 ft / 4,57 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   221,76 ft / 67,59 m   15,00 ft / 4,57 m
   Upper:   8,00" / 203 mm   332,68 ft / 101,40 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
     Main Belt covers 92% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2,00" / 51 mm   400,00 ft / 121,92 m   30,00 ft / 9,14 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      14,0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   3rd:   0,50" / 13 mm   0,50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 12,00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 29.156 shp / 21.750 Kw = 20,00 kts
   Range 7.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4.574 tons

Complement:
   1.085 - 1.411

Cost:
   £2,540 million / $10,161 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.805 tons, 6,4%
   Armour: 10.853 tons, 38,6%
      - Belts: 4.862 tons, 17,3%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 888 tons, 3,2%
      - Armament: 2.621 tons, 9,3%
      - Armour Deck: 2.244 tons, 8,0%
      - Conning Tower: 239 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 1.325 tons, 4,7%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9.570 tons, 34,0%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4.159 tons, 14,8%
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1,4%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     36.233 lbs / 16.435 Kg = 21,6 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells or 6,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 5,5 ft / 1,7 m
   Roll period: 16,9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,63
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,32

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,658
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,87 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      15,09 ft / 4,60 m
      - Quarterdeck (20%):   15,09 ft / 4,60 m
      - Stern:      15,09 ft / 4,60 m
      - Average freeboard:   16,34 ft / 4,98 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,2%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109,4%
   Waterplane Area: 40.429 Square feet or 3.756 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 179 lbs/sq ft or 873 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,44
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250 ton FC
25 ton ERADe equipment
75 ton Crew comfort
25 ton Long range marconi
25 ton undefined

Modified , added the misc weight distribution.

[maddox]

Occitanie, French GBB laid down 1913 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   35.010 t light; 37.418 t standard; 40.602 t normal; 43.149 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721,75 ft / 715,22 ft x 108,27 ft x 30,18 ft (normal load)
   219,99 m / 218,00 m x 33,00 m  x 9,20 m

Armament:
      12 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (4x3 guns), 1.807,79lbs / 820,00kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      20 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (10x2 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1913 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 11,02lbs / 5,00kg shells, 1913 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 23.589 lbs / 10.700 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   410,00 ft / 124,97 m   20,50 ft / 6,25 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 88% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2,00" / 51 mm   407,68 ft / 124,26 m   29,00 ft / 8,84 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      12,5" / 318 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3,25" / 83 mm, Conning tower: 13,00" / 330 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48.001 shp / 35.809 Kw = 22,00 kts
   Range 7.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 5.731 tons

Complement:
   1.429 - 1.859

Cost:
   £4,168 million / $16,672 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2.726 tons, 6,7%
   Armour: 13.187 tons, 32,5%
      - Belts: 4.906 tons, 12,1%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 875 tons, 2,2%
      - Armament: 3.644 tons, 9,0%
      - Armour Deck: 3.431 tons, 8,4%
      - Conning Tower: 331 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 2.182 tons, 5,4%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 16.315 tons, 40,2%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.592 tons, 13,8%
   Miscellaneous weights: 600 tons, 1,5%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     51.229 lbs / 23.237 Kg = 30,6 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells or 8,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 6,8 ft / 2,1 m
   Roll period: 17,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,67
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,22

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,608
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,61 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,74 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 8,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2,43 ft / 0,74 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,20 ft / 8,90 m
      - Forecastle (25%):   20,34 ft / 6,20 m
      - Mid (50%):      16,73 ft / 5,10 m
      - Quarterdeck (18%):   16,73 ft / 5,10 m
      - Stern:      16,73 ft / 5,10 m
      - Average freeboard:   18,97 ft / 5,78 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86,8%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133,3%
   Waterplane Area: 57.060 Square feet or 5.301 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 218 lbs/sq ft or 1.062 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,19
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily



The huge increase of firepower by using the tripple turrets in the superfiring fashion has its attractions.
The AoN armor sceme makes it possible to balance out the weight of the superfiring turrets and makes the stability issue of superfiring turrets  moot.
The main reason the architects tought about it. Were to find the weight to lower the metacenter height  without sacrificing comfort or seakeeping. Removing the upper belt and eliminating the end armor to increase protection of the engines , magazines barbettes and turrets.


Misc weigth
250 tons FC
100 tons ears
100 tons Admirals quarters
100 tons crew comfort
50 tons to be assigned

[maddox]

1918 will bring this.

Brittanie, French GBB laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   35.017 t light; 37.435 t standard; 41.245 t normal; 44.294 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   692,26 ft / 688,98 ft x 114,83 ft x 28,87 ft (normal load)
   211,00 m / 210,00 m x 35,00 m  x 8,80 m

Armament:
      12 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (4x3 guns), 1.807,79lbs / 820,00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      20 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (10x2 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns (4 mounts), 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1915 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 23.555 lbs / 10.684 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   378,94 ft / 115,50 m   18,00 ft / 5,49 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 85% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2,00" / 51 mm   378,94 ft / 115,50 m   27,60 ft / 8,41 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   12,0" / 305 mm      14,0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   3rd:   0,50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3,25" / 83 mm, Conning tower: 13,00" / 330 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 50.034 shp / 37.326 Kw = 22,00 kts
   Range 7.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6.859 tons

Complement:
   1.446 - 1.881

Cost:
   £5,515 million / $22,058 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2.722 tons, 6,6%
   Armour: 13.158 tons, 31,9%
      - Belts: 4.401 tons, 10,7%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 774 tons, 1,9%
      - Armament: 4.065 tons, 9,9%
      - Armour Deck: 3.584 tons, 8,7%
      - Conning Tower: 334 tons, 0,8%
   Machinery: 1.995 tons, 4,8%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 16.742 tons, 40,6%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6.229 tons, 15,1%
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     54.879 lbs / 24.893 Kg = 32,8 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells or 9,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,08
   Metacentric height 7,2 ft / 2,2 m
   Roll period: 18,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,61
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,632
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,53 ft / 9,00 m
      - Forecastle (25%):   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      17,06 ft / 5,20 m
      - Quarterdeck (20%):   17,06 ft / 5,20 m
      - Stern:      17,06 ft / 5,20 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,03 ft / 5,80 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81,9%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 138,6%
   Waterplane Area: 59.610 Square feet or 5.538 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 221 lbs/sq ft or 1.079 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,24
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

The second ,sleightly changed GBB of the Occitanie class. A more French hull and upper works. The slender tripod mast of Occitanie is replaced with the older style thick pole mast with elevator.(ugly anyone)
The armor is back to the Bretagne 14" standard.

Misc weigth
250 tons FC
25 tons ears
50 tons Admirals quarters
50 tons crew comfort
25 tons to be assigned

[maddox]

Accepted after sea trials, july 1919.

Montmedie, French  GBB laid down 1916

Displacement:
   40.000 t light; 42.096 t standard; 46.463 t normal; 49.957 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   826,77 ft / 820,21 ft x 118,11 ft x 30,18 ft (normal load)
   252,00 m / 250,00 m x 36,00 m  x 9,20 m

Armament:
     8 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.807,79lbs / 820,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
     20 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns (10x2 guns), 92,59lbs / 42,00kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
     6 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 16.323 lbs / 7.404 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 126

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   432,00 ft / 131,67 m   19,00 ft / 5,79 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 81% of normal length

  - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2,00" / 51 mm   432,00 ft / 131,67 m   27,82 ft / 8,48 m

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14,0" / 356 mm   10,0" / 254 mm      14,0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   2,00" / 51 mm   1,00" / 25 mm      3,00" / 76 mm
   3rd:   0,50" / 13 mm   0,50" / 13 mm            -

  - Armour deck: 3,75" / 95 mm, Conning tower: 12,00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 131.635 shp / 98.200 Kw = 28,50 kts
   Range 9.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 7.861 tons

Complement:
   1.582 - 2.057

Cost:
   £6,005 million / $24,020 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.885 tons, 4,1%
   Armour: 14.666 tons, 31,6%
      - Belts: 5.210 tons, 11,2%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 889 tons, 1,9%
      - Armament: 3.515 tons, 7,6%
      - Armour Deck: 4.717 tons, 10,2%
      - Conning Tower: 334 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 4.904 tons, 10,6%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 18.045 tons, 38,8%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6.463 tons, 13,9%
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     70.270 lbs / 31.874 Kg = 42,0 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells or 11,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,14
   Metacentric height 8,3 ft / 2,5 m
   Roll period: 17,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,44
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,556
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,94 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 28,64 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      32,15 ft / 9,80 m
      - Forecastle (25%):   21,82 ft / 6,65 m
      - Mid (50%):      21,65 ft / 6,60 m
      - Quarterdeck (22%):   21,65 ft / 6,60 m
      - Stern:      21,65 ft / 6,60 m
      - Average freeboard:   22,75 ft / 6,93 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81,0%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 177,6%
   Waterplane Area: 67.999 Square feet or 6.317 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 201 lbs/sq ft or 980 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,11
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250 tons FC
25 tons ERADe equipment
25 tons Long range Marconi
50 tons flag facilities.
100 tons crew comfort
50 tons not designated yet

Belt sloped 12°=  Belt height is 18 feet/5,5 meter