Potential new Kleiner Kruezer for DKB

[Sachmle]

Emden, Duetcher Kasierreich Kliener Kruezer laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   5,320 t light; 5,590 t standard; 6,505 t normal; 7,237 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   531.50 ft / 524.93 ft x 47.01 ft x 17.49 ft (normal load)
   162.00 m / 160.00 m x 14.33 m  x 5.33 m

Armament:
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
      3 - 4.13" / 105 mm guns in single mounts, 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all forward, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 909 lbs / 412 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   4 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   374.02 ft / 114.00 m   13.94 ft / 4.25 m
   Ends:   0.98" / 25 mm   150.92 ft / 46.00 m   13.94 ft / 4.25 m
     Main Belt covers 110 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 45,603 shp / 34,020 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,647 tons

Complement:
   361 - 470

Cost:
   £0.785 million / $3.138 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 117 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 1,070 tons, 16.5 %
      - Belts: 495 tons, 7.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 54 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 491 tons, 7.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 30 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1,818 tons, 28.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,112 tons, 32.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,185 tons, 18.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 202 tons, 3.1 %
        - 100t FC
        - 25t Sehendes Auge
        - 25t Markoni Installation
        - 4t Torpedoes
        - 48t Reserve

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6,142 lbs / 2,786 Kg = 59.6 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 12.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.21
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.528
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19.20 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.86 ft / 5.75 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   18.86 ft / 5.75 m
      - Mid (45 %):      18.86 ft / 5.75 m (10.66 ft / 3.25 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   10.66 ft / 3.25 m
      - Stern:      10.66 ft / 3.25 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.35 ft / 4.38 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 110.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 16,866 Square feet or 1,567 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 78 lbs/sq ft or 381 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.06
      - Longitudinal: 0.98
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Borys]

What is the planned role of the 105mm guns?
Bortys

[Sachmle]

To shoot things. ;) I don't know, I took RL Emden and basically copied her. Had to get longer to get good seakeeping, with GOOD being a stretch.

[Jefgte]

What is the planned role of the 105mm guns?

reserved places ... of course

;)

[miketr]

I would ditch the 105's for 4 or so 75's or see if you could fit one or even two more 150's .  Armor could be thicker but its not critical.

Michael

[Sachmle]

How's about this then

Emden, Duetcher Kasierreich Kliener Kruezer laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   5,320 t light; 5,586 t standard; 6,500 t normal; 7,231 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   531.50 ft / 524.93 ft x 47.01 ft x 17.49 ft (normal load)
   162.00 m / 160.00 m x 14.33 m  x 5.33 m

Armament:
      5 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 3 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all forward, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 902 lbs / 409 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   4 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   372.70 ft / 113.60 m   13.94 ft / 4.25 m
   Ends:   0.98" / 25 mm   152.23 ft / 46.40 m   13.94 ft / 4.25 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 45,573 shp / 33,998 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,646 tons

Complement:
   361 - 470

Cost:
   £0.784 million / $3.135 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 117 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 1,069 tons, 16.4 %
      - Belts: 494 tons, 7.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 61 tons, 0.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 491 tons, 7.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 22 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 1,817 tons, 28.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,115 tons, 32.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,180 tons, 18.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 202 tons, 3.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6,164 lbs / 2,796 Kg = 59.9 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 12.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.21
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.527
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19.20 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.86 ft / 5.75 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   18.86 ft / 5.75 m
      - Mid (45 %):      18.86 ft / 5.75 m (10.66 ft / 3.25 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   10.66 ft / 3.25 m
      - Stern:      10.66 ft / 3.25 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.35 ft / 4.38 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 110.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 16,860 Square feet or 1,566 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 78 lbs/sq ft or 382 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.06
      - Longitudinal: 0.98
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

100t FC
25t Sehendes Auge
25t Markoni Installation
52t Reserve

[Sachmle]

Though about maybe this one. Just a little bigger than the existing Kaiserin Augusta class with a modest speed increase. Kind of a next step as apposed to a next generation. Korpen will note and enjoy the large (for a cruiser) allotment of mines. I noticed that many RL HSF KKs carried mines in this quantitiy. Could be usefull, maybe pull a "Letterstime-esque Borys raid"  :D

Ersatz Neue Fohr, Brandenburg Kleiner Kreuzer laid down 1916

Displacement:
   4,580 t light; 4,806 t standard; 5,281 t normal; 5,661 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   513.44 ft / 497.05 ft x 48.88 ft x 16.90 ft (normal load)
   156.50 m / 151.50 m x 14.90 m  x 5.15 m

Armament:
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1908 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
      3 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1915 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 798 lbs / 362 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   8 - 19.7" / 500 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm   341.90 ft / 104.21 m   11.81 ft / 3.60 m
   Ends:   0.98" / 25 mm   155.12 ft / 47.28 m   11.81 ft / 3.60 m
     Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.98" / 25 mm            -
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.98" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 35,466 shp / 26,457 Kw = 28.12 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 855 tons

Complement:
   309 - 402

Cost:
   £0.707 million / $2.829 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 104 tons, 2.0 %
   Armour: 1,010 tons, 19.1 %
      - Belts: 393 tons, 7.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 39 tons, 0.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 565 tons, 10.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 13 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 1,321 tons, 25.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,745 tons, 33.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 701 tons, 13.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 7.6 %
        -200t mines
        -100t FC
        -25t Markoni Installation
        -25t Sehendes Auge
        -8t Torpedoes
        -42t Reserve

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,293 lbs / 2,401 Kg = 51.4 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.11

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.450
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.29 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.03 ft / 5.80 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   18.70 ft / 5.70 m (18.37 ft / 5.60 m aft of break)
      - Mid (40 %):      18.04 ft / 5.50 m (9.84 ft / 3.00 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Stern:      9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.31 ft / 4.06 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 15,502 Square feet or 1,440 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 72 lbs/sq ft or 354 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.00
      - Longitudinal: 1.00
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[The Rock Doctor]

The deck armor seems unnecessarily thick for a KK, but otherwise, I like it.