New Zionite ships for 1915

[Desertfox]

First up is a dedicated scout variant of the Lavi II class destroyer. One gun is removed and space made for an observation ballon. Part of the support equipment for the ballon replaces some of the machinery, so these ships are only capable of 27 knots. Three are to be built.



Lavi II, New Zion Destroyer laid down 1915

Displacement:
   750 t light; 810 t standard; 871 t normal; 921 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   330.00 ft / 330.00 ft x 30.50 ft x 7.50 ft (normal load)
   100.58 m / 100.58 m x 9.30 m  x 2.29 m

Armament:
      2 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.81lbs / 1.73kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     2 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in any sea
      8 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1912 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 266 lbs / 121 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   3 - 20.0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
                (Note: Actually 11,000 HP & 27 knots)
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 17,369 shp / 12,958 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 1,300nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 111 tons

Complement:
   79 - 104

Cost:
   £0.109 million / $0.436 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 33 tons, 3.8 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.3 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 392 tons, 45.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 242 tons, 27.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 121 tons, 13.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 80 tons, 9.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     196 lbs / 89 Kg = 3.1 x 5.0 " / 127 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 12.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.78

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.404
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.82 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 90
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forecastle (25 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Mid (40 %):      13.00 ft / 3.96 m (7.50 ft / 2.29 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   7.50 ft / 2.29 m
      - Stern:      7.50 ft / 2.29 m
      - Average freeboard:   10.10 ft / 3.08 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 186.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 6,210 Square feet or 577 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 50 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 26 lbs/sq ft or 125 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.51
      - Longitudinal: 0.67
      - Overall: 0.52
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   


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These are a low cost torpedo boat that can be built in numbers. Should be quite handy around the Rift. Numbers built is still up in the air.


Seekan, New Zion Destroyer laid down 1916

Displacement:
   302 t light; 316 t standard; 328 t normal; 338 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   250.00 ft / 250.00 ft x 21.00 ft x 5.40 ft (normal load)
   76.20 m / 76.20 m x 6.40 m  x 1.65 m

Armament:
      3 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      2 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.81lbs / 1.73kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1916 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft
   Weight of broadside 48 lbs / 22 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   4 - 20.0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 10,688 shp / 7,973 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 1,300nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 22 tons

Complement:
   38 - 50

Cost:
   £0.065 million / $0.259 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 6 tons, 1.8 %
   Machinery: 171 tons, 52.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 114 tons, 34.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 26 tons, 8.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 3.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     95 lbs / 43 Kg = 7.0 x 3.0 " / 76 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 0.7 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 10.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.16
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.74

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.405
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.90 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.81 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Mid (40 %):      9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Stern:      7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Average freeboard:   8.65 ft / 2.64 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 187.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 70.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,241 Square feet or 301 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 38 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 96 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.18
      - Overall: 0.54
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

[Desertfox]

Another, this time not-so-new ship. A fast civilian coastal transport, this ship will make some apperances in the news.

It is not usually armed with a 50mm gun, but has the capability. Has a crew of five, plus four passengers...

Serenity

Firefly class, New Zion Fast Coaster laid down 1912

Displacement:
   170 t light; 175 t standard; 240 t normal; 292 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   250.00 ft / 250.00 ft x 21.00 ft x 4.00 ft (normal load)
   76.20 m / 76.20 m x 6.40 m  x 1.22 m

Armament:
      1 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.81lbs / 1.73kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline forward
      1 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1912 Model
     Machine gun in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      5 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      3 - 0.45" / 11.4 mm guns in single mounts, 0.05lbs / 0.02kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 4 lbs / 2 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Machinery:
   Diesel Internal combustion motors,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 2,095 shp / 1,563 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 117 tons

Complement:
   29 - 39

Cost:
   £0.018 million / $0.072 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 84 tons, 34.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 71 tons, 29.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 70 tons, 29.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 15 tons, 6.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     199 lbs / 90 Kg = 1.8 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.56
   Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 8.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.01
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.400
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.90 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.81 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Mid (40 %):      7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Stern:      7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Average freeboard:   7.24 ft / 2.21 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 148.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,232 Square feet or 300 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 129 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 15 lbs/sq ft or 72 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.53
      - Longitudinal: 0.53
      - Overall: 0.53
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[The Rock Doctor]

Tanthalas has already co-opted Serenity/Firefly.  Try again.

[Sachmle]

Seekan, New Zion Destroyer laid down 1916

Displacement:
   302 t light; 316 t standard; 328 t normal; 338 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   250.00 ft / 250.00 ft x 21.00 ft x 5.40 ft (normal load)
   76.20 m / 76.20 m x 6.40 m  x 1.65 m

Armament:
      3 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      2 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.81lbs / 1.73kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1916 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft
   Weight of broadside 48 lbs / 22 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   4 - 20.0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes

*Puts on Borys mask* NEDS

[Desertfox]

Ah! He has a Malcolm Reynolds on a ship called Serenity. But that Serenity is a full blown battlecruiser with over 1,000 crewmembers. It doesn't have a doctor with his sister, a reverend who can shoot, a hired gunman, a hot 'courtesan', and a very cute and hot mechanic.  Also the captain of said ship will be one Malachi Reichmann... ;)

The Dutch TBs:

210ft by 18ft, that is 40ft shorter and 3 ft skinnier than my design. The torpedo tubes on the Seeekan will be fixed (PT style), so everything should fit with plenty of space. I didn't even get the extremly poor warning on space.

[Tanthalas]

Ah! He has a Malcolm Reynolds on a ship called Serenity. But that Serenity is a full blown battlecruiser with over 1,000 crewmembers. It doesn't have a doctor with his sister, a reverend who can shoot, a hired gunman, a hot 'courtesan', and a very cute and hot mechanic.  Also the captain of said ship will be one Malachi Reichmann... ;)

LOL well actualy in later story lines about Capitan Reynolds, you will get introduced to his hot wife (come on we all want em to get hitched anyway), the Ships Doctor (who has a sister in the NS inteligence service), the Ships Chaplin (who will be bang up in a fight), and havnt quite figured out how to fit in the shief eng. yet

[The Rock Doctor]

If either of you rip off the source material that badly, I shall drop a rock on your ship.

[Tanthalas]

If either of you rip off the source material that badly, I shall drop a rock on your ship.

awwww lol come on (tbh I was just planing on using Mal and maybee Book but hadnt decided about that one yet)

[maddox]

Rocky, you're just being friendly.
I wouldn't target the ship, but a nice Tungushka would do nicely over some capitals.

[Desertfox]

Hmm... my storyline could work without Mal or Book. It might even work better that way. I won't be using Jayne either so feel free to use him, but I'll definately be using the rest of the crew. They'll be joining fellow smugglers, mercenaries, pirates, and scoundrels under my control. Mwuhahahha!!!

Taugon: Check
Sparrow: Check (but gotta spring him from prision first)
Solo: On it's way...
Nemo: Gotta finish that sub first.

I'm pretty sure I missed some more.

[maddox]

Hmm, diverting Haleys comet.

[Desertfox]

No comments on the ballon idea?

[Sachmle]

Ballon idea? Oh..the Balloon thingamajig..didn't GC try that? Didn't the blimp crash into the ship? Didn't the Capt get reassigned to "shit" detail?

[Tanthalas]

Ballon idea? Oh..the Balloon thingamajig..didn't GC try that? Didn't the blimp crash into the ship? Didn't the Capt get reassigned to "shit" detail?

actualy the Capitan in question was on shit detail already he got removed from it to comand the purpose built Blimp Carrier (not the one that killed the airship).

[maddox]

The  observation balloon on ships idea ain't new, and is not any problem in itself.

Of couse, that's for tethered versions.  And I yet have to discover a better way to advertise the presence of a fleet unit.

Maybe adding the newly invented Neon discharge lamp on the sides?

And of the 80 tons misc weight, at least 20 tons is dedicated to hydrogen production and storage.
I like to see how the ship handles battledamage in those parts.