Logi's Design Studies

Started by Logi, November 19, 2008, 07:10:23 PM

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Korpen

Quote from: Walter on December 08, 2008, 03:43:36 PM
Yes, it is. The 2 tons/soldier is also a matter of volume, not just weight of the soldier and gear and support facilities.
Yes, and this creates some weird things sometimes, as increasing freeboard and thereby increasing the internal volume of the ship reduces the amount of people one can fit into it using misc weight...

One can live it with it in larger ships, at least the one built to merchant standard as they are cheap enough to just be larger. But it is major headache if one is trying to get 40 combat loaded soldiers and 4 tons of cargo into a 35ton ship...
Card-carrying member of the Battlecruiser Fan Club.

Logi

#106
QuoteWhere do you get that 2000t misc weight? Bunker capacity cannot really be converted into additional accomodations.
Troops:  1 t per four troops for short-ranged landing craft.  2 t per troop for long-term (> 1 day) embarkment. That's converting the misc wegiht turns out to be around 2000 troops.

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QuoteYes, it is. The 2 tons/soldier is also a matter of volume, not just weight of the soldier and gear and support facilities.
Yes, and this creates some weird things sometimes, as increasing freeboard and thereby increasing the internal volume of the ship reduces the amount of people one can fit into it using misc weight...
I agree. However, I'm sure I could arrange something if it was truely needed.


The Rock Doctor

http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=2337.msg24795#msg24795

Logi, the link is a transport of similar size that I designed for the DKB while caretaking it.  With reduced speed, reduced armament (leave the heavy shore bombardment to your warships), and a deeper-draught, the Brandenburger has three times the lifting capacity of your design.

Korpen

http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=884.msg23286#msg23286
Link to Dutch transport: twice the payload, better speed and range.
As The Doctor say; leave the serious bombarding to the warships.
Card-carrying member of the Battlecruiser Fan Club.

Walter

QuoteOne can live it with it in larger ships, at least the one built to merchant standard as they are cheap enough to just be larger. But it is major headache if one is trying to get 40 combat loaded soldiers and 4 tons of cargo into a 35ton ship...
I've always looked at the SS carrier guidelines as: "More planes are possible on the carrier then what the miscellaneous weight formula indicates, but it affects the carrier operations."

With troop ships something similar could be applied. 6000 tons of miscellaneous weights is good for 3000 troops, but one could probably squeeze 10,000 men aboard. However it would have a serious impact on the comfort level of the passengers, especially over a longer distance. Sanitation facilities of the ship can't handle it, the food you get is so bad that even a pig would not eat it, you can't turn around without knocking the guy next to you overboard and you'd probably be sleeping in a one person bed with three other guys at the same time.



I actually like the RRC attack transport. As I said, it reminds me a bit of the Go Ni class. I am not sure what Logi's idea is with the vessel, but the idea I had was that one could never have too many guns bombarding the shore during the begin phase of the attack... so besides the 150mm main guns, the Go Ni Mk.II also had 75mm guns.

Is it useful?

... Probably not. :P

Go Ni Mk.I http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/thread.php?postid=3943#post3943
Go Ni Mk.II http://wesworld.jk-clan.de/thread.php?postid=6058#post6058

Logi

#110
QuoteBo-Wu, RRC Haze Class laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   26,296 t light; 27,708 t standard; 30,057 t normal; 31,937 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721.00 ft / 721.00 ft x 94.90 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   219.76 m / 219.76 m x 28.93 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      4 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,687.50lbs / 765.44kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,687.50lbs / 765.44kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, all amidships
      16 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (8x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 14,012 lbs / 6,356 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   440.00 ft / 134.11 m   20.00 ft / 6.10 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   25.00 ft / 7.62 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   11.0" / 279 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      2.00" / 51 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 55,112 shp / 41,113 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 7,032nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,229 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1,140 - 1,483

Cost:
   £3.971 million / $15.884 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,752 tons, 5.8 %
   Armour: 8,537 tons, 28.4 %
      - Belts: 3,830 tons, 12.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 740 tons, 2.5 %
      - Armament: 1,985 tons, 6.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,878 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 104 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 2,417 tons, 8.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 13,291 tons, 44.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,761 tons, 12.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     38,238 lbs / 17,345 Kg = 22.7 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 6.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
   Metacentric height 5.8 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.51
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.615
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.85 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Mid (50 %):      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 50,748 Square feet or 4,715 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 205 lbs/sq ft or 1,002 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.16
      - Longitudinal: 0.94
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Borys

Ahoj!
The armour is too thin, IMO. And I'm not so sure about the AoN armour scheme.
I'd also put the four-inchers in casemattes.
And I'm jealous of your Type 3 slips!
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

maddox

Damn, bigger than my Bretagnes. And a lot faster.
But Battlecruisers, not battleships.

Where are these build?

Tanthalas

Quote from: Borys on December 14, 2008, 05:36:52 PM
Ahoj!
The armour is too thin, IMO. And I'm not so sure about the AoN armour scheme.
I'd also put the four-inchers in casemattes.
And I'm jealous of your Type 3 slips!
Borys


he cant build it anyway...
Quote16 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (8x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
reguires the 1910 cruiser tech which the MK dosnt have to my knowlage (yet)
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Logi

#114
hehe, I foresaw I would built ships of generally this size so I upgraded my Type 2 dock into a type 3 ;D

@armour issue
I tried to squeeze the most I could but this is what I came up with. I had to maintain the 24kt battle line :-\

@maddox
Currently the only Type 3 dd that the RRC has is the one in Macau.

With casemates:
QuoteBo-Wu, RRC Haze Class laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   26,299 t light; 27,711 t standard; 30,057 t normal; 31,935 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721.00 ft / 721.00 ft x 94.90 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   219.76 m / 219.76 m x 28.93 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
     4 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,687.50lbs / 765.44kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
     4 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,687.50lbs / 765.44kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, all amidships
     16 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 14,012 lbs / 6,356 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   455.00 ft / 138.68 m   20.00 ft / 6.10 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

  - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   25.00 ft / 7.62 m

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   11.0" / 279 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      2.00" / 51 mm

  - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 55,112 shp / 41,113 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 7,024nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,224 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1,140 - 1,483

Cost:
   £3.971 million / $15.884 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,752 tons, 5.8 %
   Armour: 8,648 tons, 28.8 %
      - Belts: 3,934 tons, 13.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 740 tons, 2.5 %
      - Armament: 1,992 tons, 6.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,878 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 104 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 2,417 tons, 8.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 13,182 tons, 43.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,758 tons, 12.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     38,570 lbs / 17,495 Kg = 22.9 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 6.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 5.9 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 16.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.49
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.615
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.85 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 69
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Mid (50 %):      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 50,748 Square feet or 4,715 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 204 lbs/sq ft or 994 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.16
      - Longitudinal: 0.94
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform



Shortened belt and increased freeboard version.
QuoteBo-Wu, RRC Haze Class laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   26,387 t light; 27,718 t standard; 30,057 t normal; 31,929 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721.00 ft / 721.00 ft x 94.90 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   219.76 m / 219.76 m x 28.93 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      4 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,687.50lbs / 765.44kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,687.50lbs / 765.44kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, all amidships
      16 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 14,012 lbs / 6,356 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 90

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   430.00 ft / 131.06 m   20.00 ft / 6.10 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   25.00 ft / 7.62 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   11.0" / 279 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      2.00" / 51 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 55,112 shp / 41,113 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,211 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1,140 - 1,483

Cost:
   £3.976 million / $15.902 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,752 tons, 5.8 %
   Armour: 9,796 tons, 32.6 %
      - Belts: 4,888 tons, 16.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 740 tons, 2.5 %
      - Armament: 2,186 tons, 7.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,878 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 104 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 2,417 tons, 8.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 12,123 tons, 40.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,670 tons, 12.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     42,809 lbs / 19,418 Kg = 25.4 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 6.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 6.3 ft / 1.9 m
   Roll period: 15.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.615
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.85 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Mid (50 %):      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Stern:      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 50,748 Square feet or 4,715 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 182 lbs/sq ft or 887 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.00
      - Longitudinal: 0.99
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

maddox

AoN stands for All or Nothing armor.

The parts that are armored are armored up the gills, the rest is  build as a normal ship.

It's a seperate technology together with sloped belts.


Borys

If you used 343-356mm guns, how much would your armour improve?
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Logi

Psh... seperate techs... Guess, I'll have to delay that design...

@Borys
Like this:
QuoteBo-Wu, RRC Haze Class laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   26,440 t light; 27,708 t standard; 30,057 t normal; 31,937 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721.00 ft / 721.00 ft x 94.90 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   219.76 m / 219.76 m x 28.93 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      4 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, all amidships
      16 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (8x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 11,488 lbs / 5,211 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.2" / 335 mm   440.00 ft / 134.11 m   20.00 ft / 6.10 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   25.00 ft / 7.62 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   11.0" / 279 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      2.00" / 51 mm

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 55,112 shp / 41,113 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 7,032nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,229 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1,140 - 1,483

Cost:
   £3.593 million / $14.371 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,436 tons, 4.8 %
   Armour: 9,613 tons, 32.0 %
      - Belts: 5,056 tons, 16.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 740 tons, 2.5 %
      - Armament: 1,835 tons, 6.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,878 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 104 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 2,417 tons, 8.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 12,674 tons, 42.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,617 tons, 12.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     43,589 lbs / 19,771 Kg = 31.8 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 7.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 6.1 ft / 1.9 m
   Roll period: 16.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.41
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.615
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.85 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Mid (50 %):      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 50,748 Square feet or 4,715 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 196 lbs/sq ft or 955 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.19
      - Longitudinal: 0.94
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Borys

Looks better. How about keeping the Main Belt at 12" or 12,5", and using the savings on turret faces?
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Sachmle

Not to be a dick or anything, but you do not possess the technology to build a 'All or Nothing" armour scheme ship. Also, mount and hoist secondaries are limited to 1" armour on the hoist. You turret armour is terrible for a BB and only adequate for a BC. You have almost 95' beam and no TDS, this is bad. Your deck armour is thin for this time frame on a BB. Seaboat quality is terrible at 1.04. It looks like you're caught between a BB and a BC...you have BB guns and speed, but BC armour. I'd try a smaller ship first w/ 4x2 13" and either better armour or more speed. IMO of course.
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