ESC Torpedoboat

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T1-T?, ESC Torpedoboat laid down 1915 (Engine 1913)

Displacement:
   349 t light; 360 t standard; 388 t normal; 410 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   231,51 ft / 229,66 ft x 18,86 ft x 5,41 ft (normal load)
   70,56 m / 70,00 m x 5,75 m  x 1,65 m

Armament:
      1 - 3,94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30,51lbs / 13,84kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline forward
      1 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft
   Weight of broadside 32 lbs / 15 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10.751 shp / 8.020 Kw = 28,25 kts
   Range 2.500nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 50 tons

Complement:
   43 - 56

Cost:
   £0,064 million / $0,258 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 4 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 205 tons, 52,8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 135 tons, 34,7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 39 tons, 9,9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 6 tons, 1,5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     137 lbs / 62 Kg = 4,5 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,27
   Metacentric height 0,6 ft / 0,2 m
   Roll period: 10,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,17
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,579
   Length to Beam Ratio: 12,17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 70 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Mid (50 %):      10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Stern:      10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Average freeboard:   10,50 ft / 3,20 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 180,1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 77,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 3.107 Square feet or 289 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 44 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 93 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 2,90
      - Overall: 0,60
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped

And a colonial-type , coal-fired and half a knot slower:
QuoteCT1-T?, ESC Torpedoboat laid down 1915 (Engine 1913)

Displacement:
   363 t light; 374 t standard; 414 t normal; 446 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   231,51 ft / 229,66 ft x 18,86 ft x 5,41 ft (normal load)
   70,56 m / 70,00 m x 5,75 m  x 1,65 m

Armament:
      1 - 3,94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30,51lbs / 13,84kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline forward
      1 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft
   Weight of broadside 32 lbs / 15 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10.605 shp / 7.912 Kw = 27,75 kts
   Range 2.500nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 72 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   45 - 59

Cost:
   £0,068 million / $0,273 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 4 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 220 tons, 53,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 133 tons, 32,2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 51 tons, 12,4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 6 tons, 1,4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     143 lbs / 65 Kg = 4,7 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,31
   Metacentric height 0,7 ft / 0,2 m
   Roll period: 9,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,16
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,618
   Length to Beam Ratio: 12,17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 70 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Mid (50 %):      10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Stern:      10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Average freeboard:   10,50 ft / 3,20 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 180,3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 76,3 %
   Waterplane Area: 3.222 Square feet or 299 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 43 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 91 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 2,69
      - Overall: 0,59
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped

P3D

You could get oil to your colonies easier than coal - Gran Colombia and Persia are closer than Hamburg.
The first purpose of a warship is to remain afloat. Anon.
Below 40 degrees, there is no law. Below 50 degrees, there is no God. sailor's maxim on weather in the Southern seas

The Rock Doctor

This is true.

The high block co-efficient of these ships is puzzling; I'd recommend reducing it to 0.40 - 0.45 and increasing beam and draft to keep the displacement the same.

maddox

The length is just so it can't be layed down in a type 0 dock. 

Maybe this one?
Same cost, 0.75 kts faster, same range and and armament and fitting in a type 0 dock.


QuoteExample TB, N/A Torpedo boat laid down 1914 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   350 t light; 360 t standard; 388 t normal; 411 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   229,62 ft / 226,71 ft x 24,93 ft x 6,07 ft (normal load)
   69,99 m / 69,10 m x 7,60 m  x 1,85 m

Armament:
      1 - 3,94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30,51lbs / 13,84kg shells, 1914 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline forward
      1 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,89kg shells, 1914 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline aft
   Weight of broadside 32 lbs / 15 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 11.365 shp / 8.478 Kw = 29,00 kts
   Range 2.500nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 51 tons

Complement:
   43 - 56

Cost:
   £0,057 million / $0,227 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 4 tons, 1,0%
   Machinery: 207 tons, 53,4%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 133 tons, 34,2%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 38 tons, 9,8%
   Miscellaneous weights: 6 tons, 1,5%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     128 lbs / 58 Kg = 4,2 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,26
   Metacentric height 0,9 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 10,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,07
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0,73

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,396
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,09 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,06 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 70 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 75
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16,54 ft / 5,04 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Mid (50%):      9,19 ft / 2,80 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   9,19 ft / 2,80 m
      - Stern:      9,19 ft / 2,80 m
      - Average freeboard:   10,13 ft / 3,09 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 181,7%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 93,7%
   Waterplane Area: 3.472 Square feet or 323 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 41%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 22 lbs/sq ft or 106 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 1,89
      - Overall: 0,57
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

6 tons misc weight deticated to the torpedo load


ledeper

I prefer a high sea keeping for speed
Their role is to be a sort of harbour protection Tbs

T1-T?, ESC Torpedoboat laid down 1915 (Engine 1913)

Displacement:
   349 t light; 360 t standard; 388 t normal; 410 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   229,54 ft / 227,69 ft x 18,04 ft x 5,74 ft (normal load)
   69,96 m / 69,40 m x 5,50 m  x 1,75 m

Armament:
      1 - 3,94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30,51lbs / 13,84kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline forward
      1 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm guns in single mounts, 1,95lbs / 0,88kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft
   Weight of broadside 32 lbs / 15 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   4 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 11.086 shp / 8.270 Kw = 28,50 kts
   Range 2.500nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 50 tons
        Range at max speed 140 Nm

Complement:
   43 - 56

Cost:
   £0,065 million / $0,258 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 4 tons, 1,0 %
   Machinery: 205 tons, 53,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 134 tons, 34,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 38 tons, 9,9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 6 tons, 1,5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     129 lbs / 58 Kg = 4,2 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,23
   Metacentric height 0,6 ft / 0,2 m
   Roll period: 10,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,21
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,575
   Length to Beam Ratio: 12,62 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15,09 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 71 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Mid (50 %):      10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Stern:      10,50 ft / 3,20 m
      - Average freeboard:   10,50 ft / 3,20 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 180,9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 69,2 %
   Waterplane Area: 2.935 Square feet or 273 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 43 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 92 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,50
      - Longitudinal: 3,23
      - Overall: 0,60
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped