RRC Tankers

[Logi]

Chuang-tzu, RRC Dai Yaeu-Tan (Big Oil Tanker) Class laid down 1914 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   33,525 t light; 34,376 t standard; 40,800 t normal; 45,939 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   714.00 ft / 700.00 ft x 110.00 ft (Bulges 120.00 ft) x 20.00 ft (normal load)
   217.63 m / 213.36 m x 33.53 m (Bulges 36.58 m)  x 6.10 m

Armament:
      2 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1914 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1914 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 172 lbs / 78 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 300

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Ends:   Unarmoured

   - Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
      1.50" / 38 mm   500.00 ft / 152.40 m   25.00 ft / 7.62 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      2.00" / 51 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm            -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 33,244 shp / 24,800 Kw = 19.00 kts
   Range 17,377nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 11,563 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   1,434 - 1,865

Cost:
   £1.759 million / $7.037 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 22 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 714 tons, 1.7 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 694 tons, 1.7 %
      - Armament: 20 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 1,362 tons, 3.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,428 tons, 28.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,275 tons, 17.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20,000 tons, 49.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     78,321 lbs / 35,526 Kg = 2,447.5 x 4.0 " / 102 mm shells or 13.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
   Metacentric height 9.0 ft / 2.8 m
   Roll period: 16.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 68 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.57

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.850
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.83 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.46 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 35 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.90 ft / 1.49 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Mid (50 %):      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Stern:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Average freeboard:   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 232.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 70,115 Square feet or 6,514 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 173 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 128 lbs/sq ft or 624 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.03
      - Longitudinal: 0.98
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc Weight: 20,000 tons - Waste or Oil (Waste while cleaning up Hong Kong)

5822nm at max speed (19.00 kts)

[Logi]

Lao-tzu, RRC Dai Yaeu-Tan (Big Tanker) Class laid down 1914 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   15,263 t light; 15,675 t standard; 19,429 t normal; 22,432 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   514.00 ft / 500.00 ft x 70.00 ft (Bulges 80.00 ft) x 20.00 ft (normal load)
   156.67 m / 152.40 m x 21.34 m (Bulges 24.38 m)  x 6.10 m

Armament:
      2 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1915 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 118 lbs / 54 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 300

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Ends:   Unarmoured

   - Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
      1.00" / 25 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   25.00 ft / 7.62 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      2.00" / 51 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm            -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 31,455 shp / 23,465 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 17,439nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6,757 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   822 - 1,069

Cost:
   £1.058 million / $4.230 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 15 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 292 tons, 1.5 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 278 tons, 1.4 %
      - Armament: 14 tons, 0.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 1,289 tons, 6.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,668 tons, 24.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,165 tons, 21.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 9,000 tons, 46.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     29,932 lbs / 13,577 Kg = 935.4 x 4.0 " / 102 mm shells or 4.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 18.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.01
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.98

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.850
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.90 ft / 1.49 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Mid (50 %):      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Stern:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Average freeboard:   25.00 ft / 7.62 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 184.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 31,871 Square feet or 2,961 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 162 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 95 lbs/sq ft or 466 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.78
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc. Weight: 9,000 tons - Waste or Oil (Waste when cleaning up Hong Kong)

3999nm at max speed (21.00 kts)

Smaller and faster brother of the above ship.

[Logi]

Si Fu Kong, RRC Xiao Yaeu-Tan (Little Oil Tanker) Class laid down 1915 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   8,378 t light; 8,566 t standard; 9,214 t normal; 9,733 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   444.00 ft / 430.00 ft x 50.00 ft x 20.00 ft (normal load)
   135.33 m / 131.06 m x 15.24 m  x 6.10 m

Armament:
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1915 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 27 lbs / 12 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 71,471 shp / 53,318 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 400nm at 29.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,166 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   469 - 611

Cost:
   £1.027 million / $4.109 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 tons, 0.0 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 2,929 tons, 31.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,623 tons, 28.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 836 tons, 9.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2,822 tons, 30.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,970 lbs / 2,708 Kg = 442.2 x 3.0 " / 76 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.01
   Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 15.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.01
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.40

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.750
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.74 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 68 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 36
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.90 ft / 1.49 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Mid (50 %):      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Stern:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Average freeboard:   25.00 ft / 7.62 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 136.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 182.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,007 Square feet or 1,673 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 73 lbs/sq ft or 354 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.85
      - Longitudinal: 4.33
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Tanker used exclusively for Macau - Hong Kong route - can carry anything
400nm enough to circle all of Hong Kong (including islands) twice.

[P3D]

You don't need to build civilian tankers to have oil imports.
You need fleet oilers if you want to supply fleet units far from home or if you want to get oil fast (and relatively secure).
Macau-Hong Kong is about twenty nautical miles distance.

[Logi]

You don't need to build civilian tankers to have oil imports.
You need fleet oilers if you want to supply fleet units far from home or if you want to get oil fast (and relatively secure).

I was thinking this might be the case. In the case of the large tanekrs, their main purpose is to get oil fast.

Macau-Hong Kong is about twenty nautical miles distance.

I know, I meant to circle all of Hong Kong including the outer islands and mainland and investigate all the nooks and crannies, one would need about 400nm.

[P3D]

Why would you want to deliver from HK to Macau in such a large ship, when a single thousand-ton 9kts tanker would just suffice? Nevermind that there's not much need for oil in those quantities , yet.

[Tanthalas]

man your makin me feal like P3D (no insult intended P3 you just used to be the Nay sayer) whats your use for these ships?  Realy you dont need Tankers, your fleet is mostly Coal powerd atm.  

The "Human" waste would be easier to handle actualy with storyline components, talk about using it as fertalizer (still a comon practice in some oriental countries) any bodies left from the battle would be a non issue at this point (actualy they would be mostly Swiss soldiers anyway so I might be the one to deal with them) but its bene what 5 years since the atack? in a tropical enviroment (and Hong Kong is one) in 5 years all you would have left is bones.

Your health issues would be largely clean watter for drinking, Rats, Mosquitos.  Atmepting to bring in enough fresh watter for 1mil people is a Major undertaking (think about New Orleans after the Huricane)

[Guinness]

Fresh waste has to go somewhere, or cholera and dysentery will be your main issues. You probably won't have time for malaria, or worse, yellow fever to become your main concern unless you have the first two under control.

Your issue isn't disposing of the waste necessarily, it's keeping it out of your drinking water. If you can get it to the sea, you'll likely have a stinky mess on your hands, but at least no one will be drinking it. I don't think a ship is the most efficient way to do that though. Maybe just start with a few open sewers dumping it into Victoria Harbor.

Here's a half-decent link on the modern problems of water quality, etc. in Hong Kong: http://sc.info.gov.hk/gb/www.epd.gov.hk/epd/misc/ehk07/english/env_comp/index.htm

To me, the problems of a rapidly repopulating Hong Kong will be these (in roughly this order):

1. Water quality issues including supply of clean drinking water
2. Food supply
3. Shelter
4. Waste disposal (including whatever's left of Hong Kong from before)
5. Shelter
6. Commerce

Somebody who was around tell me: did Macau suffer too when Hong Kong was destroyed? If not, I suspect the locus of the area would have just moved there or to Guangzhou.

[Tanthalas]

as I remember it, Macau was spared the Bombardment.  Thats just from reading the story about it though.

[Logi]

No, I was told that only Shanghai and Hong Kong needed rebuilding.

Why would you want to deliver from HK to Macau in such a large ship, when a single thousand-ton 9kts tanker would just suffice? Nevermind that there's not much need for oil in those quantities , yet.

>:( I don't really consider the Si Fu Kong to be that big. The other tankers are not going to be built... yet.

1. Water quality issues including supply of clean drinking water
2. Food supply
3. Shelter
4. Waste disposal (including whatever's left of Hong Kong from before)
5. Shelter
6. Commerce

1. Well, I'll need to solve that.
2. So far, Hong Kong is getting food from the suplus in the region Guangdong.
3. A big tent with a few buildings so far. The director the the site (Yun) ordered that construction to begin as soon as space was made for a building.
4. Yes, that's the waste I was talking about. The majority is being dumped into the water right now.
5. See 3, you mentioned it twice.
6. So far, the government is paying the inhabitants to cleanup Hong Kong. If Hong Kong gets done, it will be Shanghai next.

The "Human" waste would be easier to handle actualy with storyline components, talk about using it as fertalizer (still a comon practice in some oriental countries) any bodies left from the battle would be a non issue at this point (actualy they would be mostly Swiss soldiers anyway so I might be the one to deal with them) but its bene what 5 years since the atack? in a tropical enviroment (and Hong Kong is one) in 5 years all you would have left is bones.

I would think that "Human" waste is not all that's left. I am assuming that ruins are left behind as well, making it not so simple as just burying remains. Also, if possibe, I would like Hong Kong to not be known as a "city built on bones".  ;)


On another note: Does anyone know how long it would take to cleanup a city's ruins? Right now, I'm assuming about 3-4 yrs. (Which I know would probably be too short)

[Tanthalas]

Would depend on the number of people thrown at the situation, how intense the cleanup is.  actualy cleanup is the easy part (little more than hauling off the remians of the buildings and dumping them somewhere) rebuilding could take years though (especialy if you have a city plan and building code to adhear to)

[P3D]

No need to invest too much, rebuilding Hong Kong. Cleanup is nice, but your main commercial harbor in Canton - all in the Pearl river delta.

I suggest to move the Macau naval base to Canton (your largest city) instead, more justified than having it on an small outlying island.

[Logi]

Would depend on the number of people thrown at the situation, how intense the cleanup is.  actualy cleanup is the easy part (little more than hauling off the remians of the buildings and dumping them somewhere) rebuilding could take years though (especialy if you have a city plan and building code to adhear to)

Well about 0.5 mil people are cleaning up. About 0.25 mil are building new buildings. So far, the building plan quite messy.

I suggest to move the Macau naval base to Canton (your largest city) instead, more justified than having it on an small outlying island.

I assumed the capital was Guangzhou :P, I can't really move the naval base... or can I? I don't know.

[maddox]

The first NS/MK war was  more than 10 years ago.

Hong Kong and Shanghai were destroyed in responce to the NS unwillingness to pay the due rent and incredible high fine for the use of those 2 cities.

During this war the MK transported the heavy ACM industries from Macau and rebuilded those deeper inland, what made that the coastal bombardment by NS just damaged the docks and slipways on.


The MK's fleet docterine was building short ranged vessels, all coal fired (no indiginous oil) and especialy loads and loads of 250-400 tons TBs.
Later on a few attempts were done to build longer ranged vessels and the aquiring of a part of the Russian fleet in Port Arthur gave the MK a small rag tag fleet with longer legs.

Then the civil war started....