Commonwealth of Russia: Light Destroyers-Third Class

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This will be a new format for ship pages. Following what others have done.

Light Destroyers are the cheaper all-purpose craft tasked with operating with support units and escorting less essential vessels in the great oceans or closed-in seas. They fall into two categories: Second Class and Third Class vessels. In Russian nomenclature, Second Class destroyers are defined as being around 750 Tons and the Third Class are around 500 Tons or smaller and possess smaller amounts of guns but most have good minesweeping and ASW outfits.

The Classes below outline the current russian inventory.

Third Class(500 Tons)
Gremyashi Class: 8 Units
Volevoi Class: 8 Units
Velikii Class: 6 Units


Rules to build by...

I have reworked the SS Files to use higher BC's(0.47ish), less freeboard, and lower length ratios(<10:1) for better realism(ie. not abusing the SS system). For DD types I will always keep machinery weight totals above 50%(yet another abuse IMO).

I have also started adding weight to gun mounts by adding armor. For example, the Russian 4"/60 cal gun was a very large and heavy gun(almost six tons with single mount) firing extra large shells at medium high velocity. SS only counts it as a 4 ton weapon. To use this excellent gun it seems only fair to add an extra 2 tons to the weight(I add 25mm armor to the front-which I will try to remember to delete-although it will stillshow in the % breakdowns).

To represent the dredge hoists used in DDs(and later buckets) I have added two 'mount & hoist' guns(one fore, one aft), additional guns only use deck mounts. This should steal some hull strength to allow higher Rates of Fire with no guilt!

An odditity on Russian DDs was the desire to cram lots of guns onboard. These guns have very limited arcs of fire(only to the broadsides for most) having to be evelvated to 30* just to clear the other gun crews. I have tried to include this in the larger designs, realising that most have little actual value.

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Image from www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru

The first of Russia's 'larger' torpedo boat destroyers. These vessels are clearly outdated and have been mothballed in the Black Sea for years.

Gremyashi, Imperial Russia Destroyer Escort laid down 1898 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   500 t light; 516 t standard; 594 t normal; 656 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   211.50 ft / 211.50 ft x 26.70 ft x 8.00 ft (normal load)
   64.47 m / 64.47 m x 8.14 m  x 2.44 m

Armament:
     1 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 10.80lbs / 4.90kg shells, 1898 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline forward, 1 raised gun
     2 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns in single mounts, 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 1898 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all forward
     2 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns in single mounts, 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 1898 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all amidships
     1 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns in single mounts, 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 1898 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline aft
   Weight of broadside 41 lbs / 19 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12,000 ihp / 8,952 Kw = 26.87 kts
   Range 2,144nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 140 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   59 - 78

Cost:
   £0.072 million / $0.289 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 5 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 361 tons, 60.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 109 tons, 18.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 93 tons, 15.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 4.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     93 lbs / 42 Kg = 7.2 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.50
   Metacentric height 1.4 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 9.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 30 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.03
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.24

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.460
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.92 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.54 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 73 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 75
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      7.50 ft / 2.29 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   7.50 ft / 2.29 m
      - Mid (60 %):      6.50 ft / 1.98 m
      - Quarterdeck (5 %):   5.25 ft / 1.60 m
      - Stern:      5.00 ft / 1.52 m
      - Average freeboard:   6.59 ft / 2.01 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 207.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 48.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,632 Square feet or 337 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 17 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 100 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 0.72
      - Overall: 0.51
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is extremely poor
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor
   Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform
   Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

Trial Speed: 29.67

Misc. Weight(25 Tons):
6 Tons Torpedo Tubes(2x2)
6 Tons 18" Torpedos(4)
10 Tons Minesweeping-ASW Paravanes
2 Tons ASW Charges
1 Tons Reserve

1910 refit:
1916 update: new twin 1908 type 18" torpedo tubes mounted; ASW fitted

8 Vessels:
Gremyashi- laid down: 1898; commissioned: 1898; refit: 1910
Iturup- laid down: 1898; commissioned: 1898; refit: 1910
Uturup- laid down: 1898; commissioned: 1898; refit: 1910
Grozny- laid down: 1898; commissioned: 1898; refit: 1910
Gladky- laid down: 1898; commissioned: 1898; refit: 1910
Gorky- laid down: 1898; commissioned: 1898; refit: 1910
Gromoglasny- laid down: 1898; commissioned: 1898; refit: 1910
Gordelivy- laid down: 1898; commissioned: 1898; refit: 1910

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Volevoi Class, Imperial Russia Destroyer Escort laid down 1900 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   500 t light; 518 t standard; 596 t normal; 659 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   211.50 ft / 211.50 ft x 26.70 ft x 8.00 ft (normal load)
   64.47 m / 64.47 m x 8.14 m  x 2.44 m

Armament:
      2 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 31.00lbs / 14.06kg shells, 1900 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.30lbs / 1.50kg shells, 1900 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all forward
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.30lbs / 1.50kg shells, 1900 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 75 lbs / 34 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12,000 ihp / 8,952 Kw = 26.84 kts
   Range 2,235nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 141 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   59 - 78

Cost:
   £0.076 million / $0.302 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 9 tons, 1.5 %
   Machinery: 359 tons, 60.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 108 tons, 18.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 96 tons, 16.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 24 tons, 4.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     90 lbs / 41 Kg = 3.0 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.52
   Metacentric height 1.4 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 9.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 30 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.05
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.462
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.92 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.54 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 73 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 75
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      7.50 ft / 2.29 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   7.27 ft / 2.22 m
      - Mid (60 %):      6.35 ft / 1.94 m
      - Quarterdeck (5 %):   5.25 ft / 1.60 m
      - Stern:      5.00 ft / 1.52 m
      - Average freeboard:   6.46 ft / 1.97 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 210.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 48.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,638 Square feet or 338 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 17 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 100 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 0.72
      - Overall: 0.51
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is extremely poor
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor
   Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform
   Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

Trial Speed: 29.6 knots

Misc. Weight(24 Tons):
6 Tons Torpedo Tubes(2x2)
6 Tons 18" Torpedos(4)
10 Tons Minesweeping-ASW Paravanes
2 Tons ASW Charges
0 Tons Reserve

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Image from www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru

These small TBDs offered better seakeeping with the higher freeboard. Guns are the handy 4"/40 cal.

Velikiii Class, Imperial Russia Destroyer Escort laid down 1903 (Engine 1907)

Displacement:
   500 t light; 517 t standard; 603 t normal; 672 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   229.00 ft / 224.00 ft x 25.60 ft x 8.00 ft (normal load)
   69.80 m / 68.28 m x 7.80 m  x 2.44 m

Armament:
     2 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 31.00lbs / 14.06kg shells, 1903 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.30lbs / 1.50kg shells, 1903 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all forward
     2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.30lbs / 1.50kg shells, 1903 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 75 lbs / 34 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   4 - 18.0" / 457.2 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines plus steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 15,000 ihp / 11,190 Kw = 28.57 kts
   Range 2,530nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 154 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   60 - 79

Cost:
   £0.073 million / $0.293 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 9 tons, 1.5 %
   Machinery: 343 tons, 56.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 121 tons, 20.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 103 tons, 17.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 26 tons, 4.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     105 lbs / 48 Kg = 3.4 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.43
   Metacentric height 1.2 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 9.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 32 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.07
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.28

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.460
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.97 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 73 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 75
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -23.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Mid (24 %):      9.75 ft / 2.97 m (7.20 ft / 2.19 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (10 %):   6.00 ft / 1.83 m
      - Stern:      7.40 ft / 2.26 m
      - Average freeboard:   7.66 ft / 2.34 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 199.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 53.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,688 Square feet or 343 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 24 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 104 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 0.84
      - Overall: 0.52
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

Trial Speed: 29.6 knots

Misc. Weight(26 Tons):
6 Tons Torpedo Tubes(2x2)
6 Tons 18" Torpedos(4)
10 Tons Minesweeping-ASW Paravanes
3 Tons ASW Charges
1 Tons Reserve