NS 1914 ship Proposals

[Tanthalas]

I don't quite understand this part

Hull form characteristics:

   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Mid (70 %):      21.00 ft / 6.40 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.22 ft / 5.86 m

Please explain deck shape to me ...

Quite nice ship, BTW.
Borys

Easier to show than explain



Forcastle and Quarterdeck are used to determine main belt length (60% of hull in this case), mid determines what % of over all length is raised (70% in this case leaving 30% lowerd 20 % QD and 10% for a gun mount)

at the curent moment im limited to 20k per shaft this is a future ship though (ill be building on my curent pair till proly H115).  I just posted it since it was mentiond in my news.

[Borys]

OK - I figured it out - the f'castle is included in the "Mid" figure.
So, there are two abrupt steps there?

Borys

[Tanthalas]

OK - I figured it out - the f'castle is included in the "Mid" figure.
So, there are two abrupt steps there?

Borys

Basicly yes, it wont look quite so abrupt in the actual drawing (I use angles on all my breaks) but that was the best way I could come up with to sim the look I was after.

[The Rock Doctor]

Is Monarch intentionally just too long for a type 3 slip?

[Tanthalas]

Is Monarch intentionally just too long for a type 3 slip?

I keep playing with it it gets to long then it fits then its to long again, eventualy im rathe rsure ill end up fiting, just this incarnation dosnt quite fit ^.^

[Tanthalas]

USNSS Inflexible class (Improved), USNS Battlecruiser laid down 1914 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   24,000 t light; 25,072 t standard; 27,985 t normal; 30,316 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   719.00 ft / 700.00 ft x 92.00 ft x 30.00 ft (normal load)
   219.15 m / 213.36 m x 28.04 m  x 9.14 m

Armament:
      6 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (2x3 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      20 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (10x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1913 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1913 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     2 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      4 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns (2x2 guns), 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1913 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      10 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns in single mounts, 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1913 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 9,018 lbs / 4,091 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   420.00 ft / 128.02 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   8.00" / 203 mm   420.00 ft / 128.02 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   420.00 ft / 128.02 m   26.10 ft / 7.96 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   5.00" / 127 mm   5.00" / 127 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 79,247 shp / 59,118 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 5,244 tons

Complement:
   1,081 - 1,406

Cost:
   £2.432 million / $9.728 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,127 tons, 4.0 %
   Armour: 8,927 tons, 31.9 %
      - Belts: 5,249 tons, 18.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 608 tons, 2.2 %
      - Armament: 1,210 tons, 4.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,662 tons, 5.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 199 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 3,160 tons, 11.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,361 tons, 37.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,985 tons, 14.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 425 tons, 1.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     41,097 lbs / 18,641 Kg = 30.0 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 6.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 16.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
     and transom stern
   Block coefficient: 0.507
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.61 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 30.86 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
   Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (70 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.78 ft / 6.03 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 162.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 44,913 Square feet or 4,173 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 165 lbs/sq ft or 804 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.39
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc. Weight: 425 tons
250 tons FC
  25 tons Wireless
  25 tons Flag Facilities
  25 tons Crew Comfort
  50 tons Radar instalation
  50 Tons Reserve

[Tanthalas]

Next generation of NS Destroyers, Based loosely on the Sipans however having gaind 500 tons.  it uses the twin mount and hoist from the Inflexible class BBs for its main guns (I hope thats ok)

USNSS Guam, USNS Destroyer laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   1,500 t light; 1,559 t standard; 1,808 t normal; 2,007 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   363.00 ft / 363.00 ft x 31.00 ft x 14.00 ft (normal load)
   110.64 m / 110.64 m x 9.45 m  x 4.27 m

Armament:
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (4x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 1.50" / 38.1 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.69lbs / 0.77kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      6 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1915 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 263 lbs / 119 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 19.7" / 500.38 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 25,997 shp / 19,394 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 3,500nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 448 tons

Complement:
   138 - 180

Cost:
   £0.289 million / $1.155 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 33 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 23 tons, 1.3 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 23 tons, 1.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 845 tons, 46.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 469 tons, 25.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 308 tons, 17.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 130 tons, 7.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     435 lbs / 197 Kg = 13.6 x 4.0 " / 102 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 12.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.66
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.402
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.71 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.05 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17.00 ft / 5.18 m (9.00 ft / 2.74 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Stern:      9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.24 ft / 4.04 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 172.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 6,934 Square feet or 644 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 73 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 32 lbs/sq ft or 158 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.41
      - Overall: 0.56
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[P3D]

Next generation of NS Destroyers, Based loosely on the Sipans however having gaind 500 tons.  it uses the twin mount and hoist from the Inflexible class BBs for its main guns (I hope thats ok)

USNSS Guam, USNS Destroyer laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   1,500 t light; 1,559 t standard; 1,808 t normal; 2,007 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   363.00 ft / 363.00 ft x 31.00 ft x 14.00 ft (normal load)
   110.64 m / 110.64 m x 9.45 m  x 4.27 m

Armament:
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (4x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 1.50" / 38.1 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.69lbs / 0.77kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      6 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1915 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 263 lbs / 119 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 19.7" / 500.38 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 25,997 shp / 19,394 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 3,500nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 448 tons

Complement:
   138 - 180

Cost:
   £0.289 million / $1.155 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 33 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 23 tons, 1.3 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 23 tons, 1.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 845 tons, 46.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 469 tons, 25.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 308 tons, 17.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 130 tons, 7.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     435 lbs / 197 Kg = 13.6 x 4.0 " / 102 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
   Metacentric height 1.1 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 12.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.66
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.402
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.71 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.05 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17.00 ft / 5.18 m (9.00 ft / 2.74 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Stern:      9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.24 ft / 4.04 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 172.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 6,934 Square feet or 644 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 73 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 32 lbs/sq ft or 158 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.41
      - Overall: 0.56
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Slow imho.

[The Rock Doctor]

Possibly so.  What's with all the miscellaneous weight - mines?

[Tanthalas]

Possibly so.  What's with all the miscellaneous weight - mines?

was the plan, mines and torpedos

[Desertfox]

These are more like Destroyer Leaders, right? If so I would suggest more speed and another twin mount. They have no business conducting torpedo attacks and laying mines

Desotroyers laying mines and conducting torpedo attacks have to be expendable, these are not.

[The Rock Doctor]

More speed, yes.  More guns - no.  They're pushing the practical limit of armament as they are.

Tan, you should specify the mines and torpedo weight separately.  They won't be using a common storage device/system.

[Tanthalas]

USNSS Inflexible class (Mk 3), USNS Battlecruiser laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   24,000 t light; 25,063 t standard; 27,976 t normal; 30,306 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   719.00 ft / 700.00 ft x 92.00 ft x 30.00 ft (normal load)
   219.15 m / 213.36 m x 28.04 m  x 9.14 m

Armament:
      6 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (2x3 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      20 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (10x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1913 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns (3x2 guns), 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1913 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      10 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns in single mounts, 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1913 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 8,898 lbs / 4,036 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   420.00 ft / 128.02 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   420.00 ft / 128.02 m   26.10 ft / 7.96 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      3.00" / 76 mm
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 4.00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 79,226 shp / 59,102 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 5,243 tons

Complement:
   1,081 - 1,406

Cost:
   £2.418 million / $9.672 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,112 tons, 4.0 %
   Armour: 8,821 tons, 31.5 %
      - Belts: 3,499 tons, 12.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 608 tons, 2.2 %
      - Armament: 1,192 tons, 4.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 3,323 tons, 11.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 199 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 3,159 tons, 11.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,408 tons, 37.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,976 tons, 14.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     42,031 lbs / 19,065 Kg = 30.6 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 6.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 5.7 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 16.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
     and transom stern
   Block coefficient: 0.507
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.61 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 30.86 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
   Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (70 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.78 ft / 6.03 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 162.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 44,906 Square feet or 4,172 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 165 lbs/sq ft or 808 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.39
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc. Weight: 425 tons
250 tons FC
  25 tons Wireless
  25 tons Flag Facilities
  25 tons Crew Comfort
  50 tons Radar instalation

[Walter]

One question...

USNSS Inflexible, USNS Battlecruiser laid down 1913 (Engine 1912)
...

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
     and transom stern

USNSS Inflexible class (Mk 3), USNS Battlecruiser laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)
...

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
     and transom stern

... since when are transom sterns allowed on Navalism ships?

[maddox]

Not yet, no.