NS 1914 ship Proposals

[The Rock Doctor]

That will need to be fixed, then.

[Tanthalas]

That will need to be fixed, then.

done (I realy wish someone had noticed that sooner, since I totaly missed it)

USNSS Inflexible (final fixed), USNS Battlecruiser laid down 1913 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   23,800 t light; 24,872 t standard; 27,917 t normal; 30,353 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   719.00 ft / 700.00 ft x 92.00 ft x 30.00 ft (normal load)
   219.15 m / 213.36 m x 28.04 m  x 9.14 m

Armament:
      6 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (2x3 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      20 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (10x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1913 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1913 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     2 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      6 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns (4 mounts), 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1913 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (6x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1913 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 9,027 lbs / 4,094 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   420.00 ft / 128.02 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   280.00 ft / 85.34 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   420.00 ft / 128.02 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   420.00 ft / 128.02 m   26.10 ft / 7.96 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   5.00" / 127 mm   5.00" / 127 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 78,996 shp / 58,931 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 5,482 tons

Complement:
   1,079 - 1,403

Cost:
   £2.424 million / $9.695 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,128 tons, 4.0 %
   Armour: 8,820 tons, 31.6 %
      - Belts: 5,173 tons, 18.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 608 tons, 2.2 %
      - Armament: 1,225 tons, 4.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,596 tons, 5.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 218 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,150 tons, 11.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,302 tons, 36.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,117 tons, 14.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     41,016 lbs / 18,604 Kg = 29.9 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 6.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 16.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.32

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.506
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.61 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.46 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
   Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (70 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.78 ft / 6.03 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 156.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 43,134 Square feet or 4,007 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 166 lbs/sq ft or 810 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.33
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc. Weight: 400 tons
250 tons FC
  25 tons Wireless
  25 tons Flag Facilities
  50 tons Radar instalation
  50 tons Reserve

[Tanthalas]

Falling under the heading of build what you can now in suficiant numbers to be usefull.

Lion class, USNS Battlecruiser laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   25,000 t light; 26,244 t standard; 29,392 t normal; 31,910 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   721.00 ft / 707.00 ft x 92.00 ft x 30.00 ft (normal load)
   219.76 m / 215.49 m x 28.04 m  x 9.14 m

Armament:
      8 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (3 mounts), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      20 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (10x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns (3x2 guns), 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1915 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      10 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns in single mounts, 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1915 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 11,642 lbs / 5,281 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   431.00 ft / 131.37 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   431.00 ft / 131.37 m   27.08 ft / 8.25 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      3.00" / 76 mm
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 76,177 shp / 56,828 Kw = 26.50 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 5,666 tons

Complement:
   1,122 - 1,459

Cost:
   £3.669 million / $14.677 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,455 tons, 5.0 %
   Armour: 8,654 tons, 29.4 %
      - Belts: 3,282 tons, 11.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 648 tons, 2.2 %
      - Armament: 2,032 tons, 6.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,466 tons, 8.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 226 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,037 tons, 10.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,454 tons, 39.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,392 tons, 14.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     39,918 lbs / 18,106 Kg = 29.1 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 6.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 16.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.71
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.527
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.68 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.59 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   26.00 ft / 7.92 m (22.00 ft / 6.71 m aft of break)
      - Mid (70 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (19 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.10 ft / 6.13 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 153.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 44,437 Square feet or 4,128 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 179 lbs/sq ft or 875 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.33
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc. Weight: 425 tons
250 tons FC
  25 tons Wireless
  25 tons Flag Facilities
  25 tons Crew Comfort
  50 tons Radar instalation
  25 Tons Reserve

[Tanthalas]

after reading the arms limitation thread I was hit by a stroke of insperation.  As such I give you the folowing.

USNSS Inflexible (Quad), USNS Battlecruiser laid down 1915 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   24,000 t light; 25,222 t standard; 28,293 t normal; 30,750 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   719.00 ft / 700.00 ft x 92.00 ft x 30.00 ft (normal load)
   219.15 m / 213.36 m x 28.04 m  x 9.14 m

Armament:
      8 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (2x4 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      20 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (10x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns (4 mounts), 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1915 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (6x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1915 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 11,643 lbs / 5,281 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   448.00 ft / 136.55 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   448.00 ft / 136.55 m   26.50 ft / 8.08 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 79,851 shp / 59,569 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 5,527 tons

Complement:
   1,089 - 1,417

Cost:
   £3.648 million / $14.593 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,455 tons, 5.1 %
   Armour: 7,920 tons, 28.0 %
      - Belts: 3,378 tons, 11.9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 659 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armament: 1,273 tons, 4.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,409 tons, 8.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 200 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 3,184 tons, 11.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,041 tons, 39.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,293 tons, 15.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     36,749 lbs / 16,669 Kg = 26.8 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 5.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
   Metacentric height 5.7 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 16.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.66
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.513
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.61 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.46 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
   Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (70 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (16 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.78 ft / 6.03 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 43,404 Square feet or 4,032 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 177 lbs/sq ft or 864 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.41
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

ship has a 10 degree inclined belt (thanks for the catch P3D)

Misc. Weight: 400 tons
250 tons FC
  25 tons Wireless
  25 tons Flag Facilities
  25 tons Crew Comfort
  25 tons Reserved
  50 tons Radar instalation

[P3D]

You forgot to incline the belt.

[Tanthalas]

You forgot to incline the belt.

fixed thanks for the catch

[Tanthalas]

this made me kind of sit up and go wow... since I wont have the quads ready for the 1914 ships I thought id play around with what I could do just on AoN Opinions are welcome mostly im curious if yall think I should just repeat the Previous Rs or if I should build a pair of these in the intrem

USNSS Inflexible (Mk2 final), USNS Battlecruiser laid down 1914 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   24,000 t light; 25,076 t standard; 28,136 t normal; 30,584 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   719.00 ft / 700.00 ft x 92.00 ft x 30.00 ft (normal load)
   219.15 m / 213.36 m x 28.04 m  x 9.14 m

Armament:
      6 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (2x3 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      20 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (10x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1913 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1913 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     2 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      6 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns (4 mounts), 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1913 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (6x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1913 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 9,027 lbs / 4,094 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   420.00 ft / 128.02 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   420.00 ft / 128.02 m   26.10 ft / 7.96 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   5.00" / 127 mm   5.00" / 127 mm            -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 13.00" / 330 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 79,494 shp / 59,303 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 5,508 tons

Complement:
   1,086 - 1,412

Cost:
   £2.434 million / $9.738 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,128 tons, 4.0 %
   Armour: 9,005 tons, 32.0 %
      - Belts: 4,083 tons, 14.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 811 tons, 2.9 %
      - Armament: 1,449 tons, 5.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,403 tons, 8.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 259 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 3,170 tons, 11.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,297 tons, 36.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,136 tons, 14.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     41,858 lbs / 18,987 Kg = 30.5 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 6.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 5.9 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 15.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.36

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.510
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.61 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.46 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
   Stern overhang: 5.00 ft / 1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (70 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.78 ft / 6.03 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 43,291 Square feet or 4,022 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 165 lbs/sq ft or 807 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.36
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Main belt Inclined 10 Deg.

Misc. Weight: 400 tons
250 tons FC
  25 tons Wireless
  25 tons Flag Facilities
  25 tons Crew Comfort
  50 tons Radar instalation
  25 tons reserve

[Korpen]

Undergunned and overarmoured I think. The secondary battery lacks punch against larger DDs and light cruisers, and the few guns in the main battery cannot do all that much to assist against smaller targets.

Edit:
I think she would be horribly vulnerable to enemy large DDs and light cruisers, as she do not have that efficient a battery against them With a large proportion of her waterline totally unprotected; she can be mission killed by a large number of light (10-15cm) HE shells striking outside her citadel, causing flooding

[Tanthalas]

USNSS Revenge, USNS Fast Battleship laid down 1917 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   30,000 t light; 31,471 t standard; 34,893 t normal; 37,631 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   720.00 ft / 707.00 ft x 107.00 ft x 35.00 ft (normal load)
   219.46 m / 215.49 m x 32.61 m  x 10.67 m

Armament:
      9 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (3x3 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1917 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      20 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns (10x2 guns), 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1917 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns (3x2 guns), 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline, all aft, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm guns (2x2 guns), 4.00lbs / 1.81kg shells, 1917 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all forward
      20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns in single mounts, 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1917 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 13,642 lbs / 6,188 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   425.00 ft / 129.54 m   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.80" / 46 mm   425.00 ft / 129.54 m   30.63 ft / 9.34 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 103,548 shp / 77,246 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6,160 tons

Complement:
   1,276 - 1,659

Cost:
   £5.496 million / $21.982 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,705 tons, 4.9 %
   Armour: 10,080 tons, 28.9 %
      - Belts: 4,029 tons, 11.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 867 tons, 2.5 %
      - Armament: 2,205 tons, 6.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,703 tons, 7.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 276 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,858 tons, 11.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 13,856 tons, 39.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,893 tons, 14.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     46,336 lbs / 21,018 Kg = 33.8 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 7.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 6.6 ft / 2.0 m
   Roll period: 17.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.461
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.61 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.59 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m (26.00 ft / 7.92 m aft of break)
      - Mid (70 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.92 ft / 6.38 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 162.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 48,708 Square feet or 4,525 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 200 lbs/sq ft or 976 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.69
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Main belt inclined at 10 deg.

500 tons Misc Weight
250 tons FC
  50 tons Radar
  25 tons Wireless
  25 tons Crew Comfort Items
100 tons Flag Facilities
  50 tons Reserve

could be layed down sooner if I could find a source for the turbines

[P3D]

Too deep draught (35'  ??? :o ), too wide beam, to low block coefficient.
Quarterdeck could be higher. I don't understand armor scheme. If belt reaches quarterdeck, it only extends to 4' below WL. If it extends to the next deck, 12' underwater armor is excessive.

Main Belt and deck protection is OK (against ships with 14" guns or smaller), but gun protection (10" barbettes, 13" face) is marginal.

[Tanthalas]

Too deep draught (35'  ??? :o )
I was baseing her off the SoDaks (the ones that were actualy built) and that was what my referance materials said they drew

too wide beam
Same as above (Even I felt she was a tad on the fat side)

to low block coefficient
Direct result of the Draught, and my restriction that the ship not be over 30K tons

Quarterdeck could be higher
I know this is a runing debate LOL so Ill just stay away from it

I don't understand armor scheme. If belt reaches quarterdeck, it only extends to 4' below WL. If it extends to the next deck, 12' underwater armor is excessive.
Just me being a Nubcake (I was thinking it would basicly extend 1' further up and down than my normal 16' belt(Partialy done to compensate for the sloped belt)

Main Belt and deck protection is OK (against ships with 14" guns or smaller), but gun protection (10" barbettes, 13" face) is marginal.
See I would have thought that since most historical ships matched Face armor with Main belt (or realy close to it anyway) that I was going the overkill rout, and several historic ships had even lighter barbetes than Im using on this ship. 

Oh well chalk it up to im a Noob lol back to the drawing board she goes

[Borys]

The USN Treaty battleshiops are a bit of an oddball design. In terms of naval architecture, that is.
Hence short, fat and deeply set.

Turret faces usually are 1" or 2" thicker than the belt. That's because they face the enemy, with perpendicular hits being expected. While you can manouvre the ship and fight at "angles" to the enemy, thus avoiding perpendicular hits on the belt.
With barbettes it's a funny matter - they are round - thus everything depends on how lucky - or unlucky - you are. For "smack on" hits - then the barbette should be as thick as the face. If hits are at "the rounded parts" - then much thinner  armour is enough, as again we have "sloped armour".
Borys

[Tanthalas]

Thanks for that Explination Borys, it clears up some things I had wonderd about in the past.

[P3D]

35' draught might not be a good idea if you are planning to use the ship around islands. SoDak had extremely deep draught due to having to fit in the Panama canal - beam 108', had to be short to economize on tonnage, so it also had deep draught - with a high BC.

13" turret face would be OK if your belt would've been vertical, but it is inclined, offering more protection - so face should be 14" and barbette 13".

You might check Friedman on the different US fast BC designs pre-NC.

[Tanthalas]

35' draught might not be a good idea if you are planning to use the ship around islands. SoDak had extremely deep draught due to having to fit in the Panama canal - beam 108', had to be short to economize on tonnage, so it also had deep draught - with a high BC.

13" turret face would be OK if your belt would've been vertical, but it is inclined, offering more protection - so face should be 14" and barbette 13".

You might check Friedman on the different US fast BC designs pre-NC.

... I mostly depend on online sources for information (I have never even seen a copy of Friedman although I know its conciderd somthing of a Naval Bible) gona have to see if the local Library has a copy I supose (or find one to pirate online ^.^)