Gimme your thoughts...

[The Rock Doctor]

This is a notional "light armored cruiser" for use scouting and counter-raiding ops that don't warrant one of the larger ACs.

The two single 234mm guns are intended to have cross-deck firing arcs, as well as being able to shoot ahead and aft.  Essentially, seeking to avoid superfiring turrets while keeping a four-gun salvo fore and aft.


LAC, laid down 1913 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   10,451 t light; 10,917 t standard; 11,817 t normal; 12,537 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   559.15 ft / 554.46 ft x 68.90 ft x 21.65 ft (normal load)
   170.43 m / 169.00 m x 21.00 m  x 6.60 m

Armament:
      4 - 9.21" / 234 mm guns (2x2 guns), 390.95lbs / 177.33kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 9.21" / 234 mm guns in single mounts, 390.95lbs / 177.33kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      8 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns (6 mounts), 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 2,607 lbs / 1,182 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 21.0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.51" / 140 mm   360.40 ft / 109.85 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Ends:   1.18" / 30 mm   194.03 ft / 59.14 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Upper:   1.97" / 50 mm   360.40 ft / 109.85 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.51" / 140 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      5.51" / 140 mm
   2nd:   5.51" / 140 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      5.51" / 140 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 5.51" / 140 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 68,000 shp / 50,728 Kw = 29.15 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,619 tons)

Complement:
   566 - 736

Cost:
   £1.019 million / $4.076 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 326 tons, 2.8 %
   Armour: 2,591 tons, 21.9 %
      - Belts: 1,307 tons, 11.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 481 tons, 4.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 742 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 62 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 2,711 tons, 22.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,441 tons, 37.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,366 tons, 11.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 382 tons, 3.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,285 lbs / 6,026 Kg = 34.0 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 15.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.41
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.05 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.57 ft / 8.10 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.64 ft / 6.90 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.64 ft / 6.90 m (14.76 ft / 4.50 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Stern:      14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.02 ft / 5.80 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 140.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,452 Square feet or 2,365 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 116 lbs/sq ft or 564 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.49
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Guinness]

Interesting. As we've seen, I've struggled with heavy light cruisers myself.

Don't you have a 7.5"ish gun in inventory? I wonder if you might be better served with that weapon than the 9.2" here. As it is now, I wonder if the armor would be sufficient against a 9.2" armed opponent. Also, I think you might want to carry a little more ordnance than 150 rpg, considering how long you might expect this ship to be away from port. Otherwise, speed and range, etc. seem to fit the task well.

[P3D]

I think superfiring is not too punishing, I could slim down my 13,300t 8x9.2" design by ~2000t.

Ah, and won't fit in a lvl 2 drydock.

[maddox]

Lighter armor, lighter, but more heavy guns and fitting in a lvl2 dock/slip.
Also much higher cruising speed for the same range.

Furieux, French Large protected Cruiser laid down 1914 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   10.432 t light; 10.894 t standard; 12.786 t normal; 14.299 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557,74 ft / 554,46 ft x 75,46 ft x 21,39 ft (normal load)
   170,00 m / 169,00 m x 23,00 m  x 6,52 m

Armament:
      6 - 7,68" / 195 mm guns (3x2 guns), 253,53lbs / 115,00kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority forward
      2 - 7,68" / 195 mm guns in single mounts, 253,53lbs / 115,00kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      8 - 4,13" / 105 mm guns (2x4 guns), 35,32lbs / 16,02kg shells, 1914 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      2 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1914 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 2.332 lbs / 1.058 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 20,0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5,00" / 127 mm   338,22 ft / 103,09 m   9,50 ft / 2,90 m
   Ends:   2,00" / 51 mm   216,22 ft / 65,90 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
   Upper:   2,00" / 51 mm   338,22 ft / 103,09 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 94% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5,00" / 127 mm   2,00" / 51 mm      5,50" / 140 mm
   2nd:   5,00" / 127 mm   2,00" / 51 mm      5,50" / 140 mm
   3rd:   1,00" / 25 mm   1,00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 1,00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 5,00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 70.958 shp / 52.934 Kw = 29,00 kts
   Range 10.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.404 tons

Complement:
   600 - 781

Cost:
   £1,251 million / $5,005 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 264 tons, 2,1%
   Armour: 2.135 tons, 16,7%
      - Belts: 1.060 tons, 8,3%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 500 tons, 3,9%
      - Armour Deck: 516 tons, 4,0%
      - Conning Tower: 59 tons, 0,5%
   Machinery: 2.829 tons, 22,1%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4.824 tons, 37,7%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.353 tons, 18,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 380 tons, 3,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17.733 lbs / 8.044 Kg = 78,4 x 7,7 " / 195 mm shells or 2,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,22
   Metacentric height 4,7 ft / 1,4 m
   Roll period: 14,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,35 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27,89 ft / 8,50 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   21,16 ft / 6,45 m
      - Mid (50%):      20,83 ft / 6,35 m
      - Quarterdeck (19%):   20,83 ft / 6,35 m
      - Stern:      20,83 ft / 6,35 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,49 ft / 6,55 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91,7%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 168,5%
   Waterplane Area: 27.877 Square feet or 2.590 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 116 lbs/sq ft or 569 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,94
      - Longitudinal: 1,69
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

I kinda like it, but then again im a 10" gun junky...

[Borys]

The French "lozegne" layout :)

I have some designs for 6-8K tonnes ships, with 8/10x7,5".
Or at 10K - 8x9".
I feel that I have a need for such ships.
But not enough money - so I have to build 4000 tonners. After I have a dozen of those, I will build ACs.


Borys 

[Borys]

My cheapo suggestion, with MG arrangment like on the Scharnhorst class:
Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1916 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   8 239 t light; 8 627 t standard; 9 751 t normal; 10 650 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   474,00 ft / 474,00 ft x 64,00 ft x 22,50 ft (normal load)
   144,48 m / 144,48 m x 19,51 m  x 6,86 m

Armament:
      4 - 7,50" / 191 mm guns (2x2 guns), 214,99lbs / 97,52kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 7,50" / 191 mm guns in single mounts, 214,99lbs / 97,52kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 2 150 lbs / 975 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4,50" / 114 mm   308,10 ft / 93,91 m   14,50 ft / 4,42 m
   Ends:   3,00" / 76 mm   165,88 ft / 50,56 m   9,93 ft / 3,03 m
   Upper:   3,00" / 76 mm   308,10 ft / 93,91 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6,00" / 152 mm   4,00" / 102 mm      4,00" / 102 mm
   2nd:   4,50" / 114 mm         -         2,00" / 51 mm

   - Armour deck: 2,00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 5,00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 55 427 shp / 41 349 Kw = 28,00 kts
   Range 8 500nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 022 tons (50% coal)

Complement:
   489 - 637

Cost:
   £1,365 million / $5,459 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 264 tons, 2,7%
   Armour: 2 494 tons, 25,6%
      - Belts: 1 359 tons, 13,9%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 337 tons, 3,5%
      - Armour Deck: 748 tons, 7,7%
      - Conning Tower: 49 tons, 0,5%
   Machinery: 2 315 tons, 23,7%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 166 tons, 32,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 512 tons, 15,5%
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10 498 lbs / 4 762 Kg = 49,8 x 7,5 " / 191 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16
   Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 14,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0,500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,41 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21,77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26,00 ft / 7,92 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   22,75 ft / 6,93 m
      - Mid (30%):      22,75 ft / 6,93 m (15,24 ft / 4,65 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   15,24 ft / 4,65 m
      - Stern:      15,24 ft / 4,65 m
      - Average freeboard:   17,75 ft / 5,41 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98,4%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 129,1%
   Waterplane Area: 20 212 Square feet or 1 878 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 101 lbs/sq ft or 492 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,94
      - Longitudinal: 1,77
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Jefgte]

"...
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   559.15 ft / 554.46 ft x 68.90 ft x 21.65 ft (normal load)
  170.43 m / 169.00 m x 21.00 m  x 6.60 m
...
2 - 9.21" / 234 mm guns in single mounts, 390.95lbs / 177.33kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
..."


IMHO, single turrets with big guns are not very useful & effective in action,
Your boardside is just 5x234 with the side disposition...

Better disposition with 3T2x234 - idem to Kostenko BB or AC Shinchi Roca


Jef  ;)

[The Rock Doctor]

There's an old 194mm gun in the inventory, currently used only on a river monitor.  While it's too small to be captured in our naval gun tech tree, I'd feel obliged to develop a new one.

And I have considered it.  There are some satisfactory, 6-10 x 194mm designs parked on my hard drive.

As to protection - I thought that would be adequate against 9.2" at longer ranges, and good against 6-8" guns at most likely battle ranges. 

The length is easily corrected; I've been trying to watch for that when I design stuff, but mistakes happen.

[The Rock Doctor]

This is a 194mm cruiser I've played with.  Lightish on armor, but I like her legs.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1909 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   9,444 t light; 9,812 t standard; 10,832 t normal; 11,648 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   556.04 ft / 551.18 ft x 59.06 ft x 23.29 ft (normal load)
   169.48 m / 168.00 m x 18.00 m  x 7.10 m

Armament:
      8 - 7.64" / 194 mm guns (4x2 guns), 222.78lbs / 101.05kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 1,799 lbs / 816 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 21.0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   157.45 ft / 47.99 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Upper:   1.97" / 50 mm   400.26 ft / 122.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 110 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.12" / 130 mm   1.97" / 50 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 73,944 shp / 55,162 Kw = 30.30 kts
   Range 12,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,836 tons)

Complement:
   530 - 690

Cost:
   £0.932 million / $3.729 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 225 tons, 2.1 %
   Armour: 2,032 tons, 18.8 %
      - Belts: 1,125 tons, 10.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 392 tons, 3.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 474 tons, 4.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 42 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,948 tons, 27.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,909 tons, 36.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,387 tons, 12.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 330 tons, 3.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,325 lbs / 4,683 Kg = 46.3 x 7.6 " / 194 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 15.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.57
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.13

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.33 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      27.56 ft / 8.40 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   23.62 ft / 7.20 m
      - Mid (55 %):      23.62 ft / 7.20 m (15.75 ft / 4.80 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Stern:      15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Average freeboard:   20.39 ft / 6.22 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 21,687 Square feet or 2,015 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 105 lbs/sq ft or 515 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.67
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

[Tanthalas]

she has damn nice legs, im playing around with somthing similar atm

[maddox]

She lacks a bit I would search in a vessel that size.

This is my attempt to better her.

3Ktons larger, a bit slower, equaly gunned, but Incredible legs and a better gun platform.

Furieux, French Large light cruiser laid down 1914 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   12.316 t light; 12.785 t standard; 14.835 t normal; 16.476 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557,74 ft / 554,46 ft x 82,02 ft x 24,61 ft (normal load)
   170,00 m / 169,00 m x 25,00 m  x 7,50 m

Armament:
      8 - 7,68" / 195 mm guns (4x2 guns), 253,53lbs / 115,00kg shells, 1914 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      2 - 2,76" / 70,0 mm guns in single mounts, 10,47lbs / 4,75kg shells, 1914 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0,48lbs / 0,22kg shells, 1914 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 2.051 lbs / 930 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,00" / 76 mm   365,94 ft / 111,54 m   10,31 ft / 3,14 m
   Ends:   3,00" / 76 mm   188,50 ft / 57,45 m   10,31 ft / 3,14 m
   Upper:   3,00" / 76 mm   350,00 ft / 106,68 m   10,00 ft / 3,05 m
     Main Belt covers 102% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5,00" / 127 mm   3,00" / 76 mm      5,00" / 127 mm

   - Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 8,00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 77.130 shp / 57.539 Kw = 29,00 kts
   Range 10.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.691 tons

Complement:
   671 - 873

Cost:
   £1,342 million / $5,366 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 229 tons, 1,5%
   Armour: 3.405 tons, 23,0%
      - Belts: 1.156 tons, 7,8%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 517 tons, 3,5%
      - Armour Deck: 1.629 tons, 11,0%
      - Conning Tower: 104 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 3.075 tons, 20,7%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5.256 tons, 35,4%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.519 tons, 17,0%
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 2,4%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21.150 lbs / 9.593 Kg = 93,5 x 7,7 " / 195 mm shells or 2,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,19
   Metacentric height 5,1 ft / 1,6 m
   Roll period: 15,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,22
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,464
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,76 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      29,53 ft / 9,00 m
      - Forecastle (18%):   22,97 ft / 7,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      20,01 ft / 6,10 m
      - Quarterdeck (16%):   20,01 ft / 6,10 m
      - Stern:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   21,46 ft / 6,54 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82,5%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 172,7%
   Waterplane Area: 29.350 Square feet or 2.727 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 126%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 121 lbs/sq ft or 590 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,93
      - Longitudinal: 1,81
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Desertfox]

Now THIS has legs! Slower, but you can't beat that range and she has the heaviest broadside of all designs to date.


Interceptor, New Switzerland Raider laid down 1910 (Engines 1912)

Displacement:
   11,400 t light; 12,025 t standard; 16,432 t normal; 19,957 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 557.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 29.50 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 169.77 m x 21.34 m  x 8.99 m

Armament:
      8 - 10.00" / 254 mm guns (4x2 guns), 500.00lbs / 226.80kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      14 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4,464 lbs / 2,025 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 116
   6 - 19.7" / 500.38 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.00" / 102 mm   557.00 ft / 169.77 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 7.00" / 178 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 61,222 shp / 45,672 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 7,933 tons (50% coal)

Complement:
   725 - 943

Cost:
   £1.226 million / $4.903 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 558 tons, 3.4 %
   Armour: 2,718 tons, 16.5 %
      - Belts: 989 tons, 6.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 877 tons, 5.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 755 tons, 4.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 97 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 2,557 tons, 15.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,417 tons, 33.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,031 tons, 30.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 0.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     20,635 lbs / 9,360 Kg = 41.3 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 15.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.68
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.96 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Mid (40 %):      19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Quarterdeck (25 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m (19.00 ft / 5.79 m before break)
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.40 ft / 5.61 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 77.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 117.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,978 Square feet or 2,413 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 132 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 631 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.80
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[The Rock Doctor]

At 27 knots, she's battlecruiser bait.  And what on earth do I need that much range for?

I reckon the French design is over-armored and not really worth the 30% size increase, though I agree it'd be nice to get a steady gun platform rating.

[Korpen]

This is a 194mm cruiser I've played with.  Lightish on armor, but I like her legs.

Tricky to give comment on a type of ship i think is pointless...
Think it would be worth to increase the ship about 50% in size to ~15kton.
While that would put the ship in a different category, it could give a ship with 6x30cm guns and 20cm belt, without losing speed or range. This would kick the crap out of similar cruisers, while still maintaining a much greater threat range as it could support larger ships in a fleet action if required.

Could post a design, but i feel a bit rude in invading other peoples threads with my own stuff.