Ill let yall decide

[Tanthalas]

I built 2 ships circa 1911 in my catchup reports that I couldnt build.  That said im trying to fix the situation, the problem is I cant land on a BC that has that it factor for me.  The closest I have managed to get is

Option A (I realy dont like it but it would do I supose)

BCX-6, USNS Battle Cruiser laid down 1911 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   15,000 t light; 16,091 t standard; 18,844 t normal; 21,046 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   628.00 ft / 616.00 ft x 77.50 ft x 26.16 ft (normal load)
   191.41 m / 187.76 m x 23.62 m  x 7.97 m

Armament:
      8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1911 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1911 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      10 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1911 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 8,312 lbs / 3,770 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   369.60 ft / 112.65 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   246.38 ft / 75.10 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   369.60 ft / 112.65 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 48,196 shp / 35,954 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,955 tons

Complement:
   803 - 1,045

Cost:
   £1.704 million / $6.818 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,039 tons, 5.5 %
   Armour: 4,512 tons, 23.9 %
      - Belts: 2,556 tons, 13.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,050 tons, 5.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 906 tons, 4.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 2,191 tons, 11.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,959 tons, 36.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,844 tons, 20.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21,444 lbs / 9,727 Kg = 24.8 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 16.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.74
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.528
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.95 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.82 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forecastle (25 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 32,643 Square feet or 3,033 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 148 lbs/sq ft or 722 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.20
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily



Option B (realy only an option if I can get korpen to email me the SS file so I can fix a few problems aka the NS dont have a 5" gun)

Willem Janszson & Johan Evertsen, Netherlands Armoured frigate laid down 1909

Displacement:
   15 300 t light; 16 350 t standard; 18 085 t normal; 19 473 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   592,33 ft / 578,74 ft x 77,26 ft x 27,23 ft (normal load)
   180,54 m / 176,40 m x 23,55 m  x 8,30 m

Armament:
      8 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 903,90lbs / 410,00kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread, 1 raised mount
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      16 - 4,72" / 120 mm guns in single mounts, 52,91lbs / 24,00kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
      2 - 0,59" / 15,0 mm guns in single mounts, 0,10lbs / 0,05kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in casemate mounts
     on centreline, all aft
     2 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      1 - 1,97" / 50,0 mm guns in single mounts, 3,81lbs / 1,73kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing gun in casemate mount
     on centreline aft
     1 gun in hull casemate - Limited use in all but light seas
   Weight of broadside 8 082 lbs / 3 666 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9,92" / 252 mm   331,36 ft / 101,00 m   12,30 ft / 3,75 m
   Ends:   2,95" / 75 mm   247,38 ft / 75,40 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Upper:   5,12" / 130 mm   331,36 ft / 101,00 m   6,56 ft / 2,00 m
     Main Belt covers 88 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9,84" / 250 mm   4,92" / 125 mm      8,27" / 210 mm
   2nd:   1,77" / 45 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,01" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 9,45" / 240 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48 008 shp / 35 814 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 9 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3 123 tons

Complement:
   779 - 1 013

Cost:
   £1,657 million / $6,629 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 972 tons, 5,4 %
   Armour: 5 106 tons, 28,2 %
      - Belts: 2 532 tons, 14,0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armament: 1 307 tons, 7,2 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 127 tons, 6,2 %
      - Conning Tower: 140 tons, 0,8 %
   Machinery: 2 182 tons, 12,1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6 720 tons, 37,2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 785 tons, 15,4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 320 tons, 1,8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     20 422 lbs / 9 263 Kg = 23,6 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 2,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 4,1 ft / 1,2 m
   Roll period: 16,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 57 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,68
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0,520
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,49 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,06 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6,56 ft / 2,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   21,33 ft / 6,50 m (20,34 ft / 6,20 m aft of break)
      - Mid (60 %):      16,73 ft / 5,10 m (13,45 ft / 4,10 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13,45 ft / 4,10 m
      - Stern:      13,45 ft / 4,10 m
      - Average freeboard:   17,45 ft / 5,32 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 30 341 Square feet or 2 819 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 150 lbs/sq ft or 731 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,49
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Option C Pship Clone (in keeping with the NS no armor theory ^.^) (advantage they are CHEAP)

BCX-7, USNS Battle Cruiser laid down 1911 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   11,300 t light; 12,149 t standard; 14,537 t normal; 16,448 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   612.00 ft / 600.00 ft x 68.00 ft x 21.00 ft (normal load)
   186.54 m / 182.88 m x 20.73 m  x 6.40 m

Armament:
      6 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x3 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1911 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1911 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      6 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1911 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 6,480 lbs / 2,939 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   360.00 ft / 109.73 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   1.00" / 25 mm   240.00 ft / 73.15 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   1.00" / 25 mm   360.00 ft / 109.73 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   1.50" / 38 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 42,195 shp / 31,478 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,299 tons

Complement:
   661 - 860

Cost:
   £1.344 million / $5.378 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 810 tons, 5.6 %
   Armour: 2,749 tons, 18.9 %
      - Belts: 1,447 tons, 10.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 414 tons, 2.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 823 tons, 5.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 64 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,918 tons, 13.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,523 tons, 38.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,237 tons, 22.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 2.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17,445 lbs / 7,913 Kg = 20.2 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.21
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.78
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.594
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.82 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.00 ft / 0.61 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forecastle (25 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   8.00 ft / 2.44 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m before break)
      - Stern:      8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.20 ft / 4.63 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,669 Square feet or 2,756 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 132 lbs/sq ft or 646 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.00
      - Longitudinal: 1.03
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


ATM I have a Placeholder BC in there that I realy dont like either, Im trying to stay with the NS speed is king theory and it only makes 24.51 knots... (although it is within the 48kshp rule I was under at the time)

[The Rock Doctor]

You had a better placeholder BC design in there yesterday - 25 kts, with conning tower.  Why'd you drop it?

Note that you can't build Option A, either - the machinery is overweight.

[Tanthalas]

You had a better placeholder BC design in there yesterday - 25 kts, with conning tower.  Why'd you drop it?

Note that you can't build Option A, either - the machinery is overweight.

dont tell me we are gona have this "Discussion" again, almost every single ship in the nverse is over by a small amount (i consider .25% a damn small amount), and rock the other one had serious stability issues when i tryed to bump it to 27+ knots (hence why I did away with it, I plan to refit them with more powerfull engines at a later date)

[The Rock Doctor]

We shouldn't have to have this discussion again.  48,000 is 48,000.

[Tanthalas]

We shouldn't have to have this discussion again.  48,000 is 48,000.

But But But I think im right (yes still)... in anycase proly adding a half foot of freeboard would drop it more than that, these reports werent intended as finals (as stated about the one I would be copying if I chose it) just rough outlines.

[The Rock Doctor]

I'm not sure I follow you - freeboard won't affect powerplants.

Anyway, yes, I realize these are proposals and not final designs.  I'm pointing out the powerplant of Option A as something needs revising.  I realize Option B is also over, but 8 hp is less disconcerting than 196 hp.

[Jefgte]

Like Rocky...
I like round numbers
15000t
11300t
18400t
48000shp (4x12000)
...

It is just fine adjustement in SS
---------------------------
with 48000SHP in place of 48196, you have probably 24.921kts.
Rework your SS to have round numbers...


Jef  ;)

[Tanthalas]

I'm not sure I follow you - freeboard won't affect powerplants.

Anyway, yes, I realize these are proposals and not final designs.  I'm pointing out the powerplant of Option A as something needs revising.  I realize Option B is also over, but 8 hp is less disconcerting than 196 hp.

Heh i meant Draught, sorry its late (or early depending on your outlook) and im punch drunk atm (screwy working hours got to me this deployment I must be getting old or somthing)  anyway its already adjusted (48001 and thats as close as I can get it in my curent fryed state)

[The Rock Doctor]

Gotcha - and my sympathies on your working hours. 

[Tanthalas]

Gotcha - and my sympathies on your working hours. 

I'm living on Coffee and Smokes atm (coffee is the only thing keeping me going half the time).  My last deployment didnt hit me like this one has, Used to be a solid 4 hours and I was good to go now gah 6 isnt even enough.  Oh well I only have to survive one more week and its back to a Civilised Country, aka one where they serve BEER (contemplates that after almost a year sober one beer will proly knock him on his ass)

[Tanthalas]

For anyone Interested here is the final, its in my ships section to(a bit heavier but im revising my construction anyway so meh, and I still have to draw it but it should work)


added pic (and posted minor revisions while I was here)

USNSS Independance, USNS Battle Cruiser laid down 1911 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   16,300 t light; 17,312 t standard; 19,129 t normal; 20,582 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   636.00 ft / 625.00 ft x 77.26 ft x 27.40 ft (normal load)
   193.85 m / 190.50 m x 23.55 m  x 8.35 m

Armament:
      8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1911 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1911 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     4 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1911 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 7,425 lbs / 3,368 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   375.00 ft / 114.30 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   250.00 ft / 76.20 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   4.50" / 114 mm   375.00 ft / 114.30 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 9.00" / 229 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 47,965 shp / 35,782 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 9,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,270 tons

Complement:
   813 - 1,057

Cost:
   £1.655 million / $6.621 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 928 tons, 4.9 %
   Armour: 5,936 tons, 31.0 %
      - Belts: 3,242 tons, 16.9 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,358 tons, 7.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,197 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 139 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,180 tons, 11.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,956 tons, 36.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,829 tons, 14.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     23,038 lbs / 10,450 Kg = 26.7 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 16.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.62
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.506
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.09 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.32 ft / 4.97 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 76.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 121.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 32,350 Square feet or 3,005 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 147 lbs/sq ft or 716 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.21
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

minor revision (just added the mgs in deck mounts)

[Desertfox]

What happened to this one? Seems better than the other choices. Then again, I would recommend waiting until you have the next level engines, before building these ships.


USNSS Independance, USNS Battle Cruiser laid down 1911 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   16,800 t light; 17,744 t standard; 22,260 t normal; 25,873 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   666.00 ft / 650.00 ft x 74.00 ft x 32.00 ft (normal load)
   203.00 m / 198.12 m x 22.56 m  x 9.75 m

Armament:
      8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1911 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1911 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      10 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1911 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 8,312 lbs / 3,770 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   325.00 ft / 99.06 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   325.00 ft / 99.06 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   325.00 ft / 99.06 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
     Main Belt covers 77 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 9.00" / 229 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 48,033 shp / 35,833 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 12,800nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 8,128 tons

Complement:
   910 - 1,184

Cost:
   £1.767 million / $7.069 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,039 tons, 4.7 %
   Armour: 5,768 tons, 25.9 %
      - Belts: 3,178 tons, 14.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,398 tons, 6.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,192 tons, 5.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 2,183 tons, 9.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,512 tons, 33.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,437 tons, 24.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 320 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     28,545 lbs / 12,948 Kg = 33.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.80
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.506
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.78 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.50 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (14.00 ft / 4.27 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Stern:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:   18.32 ft / 5.58 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 119.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 32,229 Square feet or 2,994 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 119 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 145 lbs/sq ft or 710 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.41
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

it didnt adjust well (newer engines threw it all to hell and im planing atleast one speed bump on them) and DF I have already BUILT them (remember 27 knot BC in your build plan) now im just trying to fix the Disaster I made without to much effort

[The Rock Doctor]

Option C is distinctly inferior to battlecruisers being built by your potential DKB and Dutch neighbours.  It isn't much cheaper, either.  A and B have minimal differences, but I agree that if you are copying the Dutch frigate, there should be some story-line explanation of this. 

Broadly speaking, my view is that NS has so many potential enemies (which have, and can again, band together to present superior numbers to the NSN) that it really has to embrace one side of the "quality/quantity" argument.  Either you go whole-hog for a juene ecole/commerce raiding strategy, or you build big, bad-ass ships capable of soundly defeating the enemies in detail.