SMS Tiger

[Borys]

Ahoj!
All this talk of battlecruiser made me design this ...

SMS Tiger, Grosserkreuzer, laid down 1916

Displacement:
   30 006 t light; 31 504 t standard; 33 251 t normal; 34 649 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   740,00 ft / 740,00 ft x 102,00 ft x 28,50 ft (normal load)
   225,55 m / 225,55 m x 31,09 m  x 8,69 m

Armament:
      6 - 13,50" / 343 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1 500,00lbs / 680,39kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      2 - 13,50" / 343 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1 500,00lbs / 680,39kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
     on centreline forward, all raised guns - superfiring
      12 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 13 200 lbs / 5 987 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,5" / 292 mm   450,00 ft / 137,16 m   16,00 ft / 4,88 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   290,00 ft / 88,39 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Upper:   6,00" / 152 mm   450,00 ft / 137,16 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 94% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   450,00 ft / 137,16 m   45,50 ft / 13,87 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   9,00" / 229 mm      10,0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   13,0" / 330 mm   9,00" / 229 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   3rd:   4,00" / 102 mm         -         1,00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 13,50" / 343 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 88 497 shp / 66 019 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3 146 tons

Complement:
   1 230 - 1 600

Cost:
   £4,388 million / $17,550 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 392 tons, 4,2%
   Armour: 11 825 tons, 35,6%
      - Belts: 5 068 tons, 15,2%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1 136 tons, 3,4%
      - Armament: 2 421 tons, 7,3%
      - Armour Deck: 2 899 tons, 8,7%
      - Conning Tower: 301 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 3 297 tons, 9,9%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 13 142 tons, 39,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 245 tons, 9,8%
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     47 904 lbs / 21 729 Kg = 38,9 x 13,5 " / 343 mm shells or 8,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,13
   Metacentric height 6,5 ft / 2,0 m
   Roll period: 16,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,48
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0,541
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 27,20 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      30,00 ft / 9,14 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   24,00 ft / 7,32 m
      - Mid (41%):      24,00 ft / 7,32 m (16,00 ft / 4,88 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   16,00 ft / 4,88 m
      - Stern:      16,00 ft / 4,88 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,76 ft / 6,02 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,0%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150,3%
   Waterplane Area: 52 235 Square feet or 4 853 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 186 lbs/sq ft or 909 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,15
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

shouldnt it be a Schlachtkreuzer instead of a Grosserkreuzer (remember my grasp on german is very very basic)

[Korpen]

shouldnt it be a Schlachtkreuzer instead of a Grosserkreuzer (remember my grasp on german is very very basic)

All german battlecruisers were designated "large cruisers", it is only in translation that they become battlecruisers.

Which make it funny when people try and argue that USS Alska were not battlecruiser, but large cruisers... :)

[Tanthalas]

shouldnt it be a Schlachtkreuzer instead of a Grosserkreuzer (remember my grasp on german is very very basic)

All german battlecruisers were designated "large cruisers", it is only in translation that they become battlecruisers.

Which make it funny when people try and argue that USS Alska were not battlecruiser, but large cruisers... :)

ahhhhh I didnt know that, did I get Battle Cruiser right in German though? (and I dont care what anyone else says the Alaskas were Battle Cruisers)

[Borys]

Yes, you got Schlachtkreuzer correctly :)
Borys

[The Rock Doctor]

Can't trim her down by five metres, hey?

[P3D]

While the Germans used Gro3er Kreuzer, the Austrians decided to name their planned ships Schlachtkreuzer so the latter nomenclature is historically acceptable, especially for the Habsburg.

See http://www.viribusunitis.ca/predesigns.htm , last drawing.

The other difference in nomenclature is GTB vs Zerstörer. Also, there might be differences in how ranks are named.

[Borys]

I have a mix of OTL German and Austrian nomenclature.
At this point in time Schlachtkreuzer would indeed be more appropriate. Or maybe I will unleash the Grosskampfschiffe on you lot ... :)

Borys

[Tanthalas]

I have a mix of OTL German and Austrian nomenclature.
At this point in time Schlachtkreuzer would indeed be more appropriate. Or maybe I wil unleash Grosskampfschiffe  on you lot ... :)

Borys

GAH it will take me like 20 minutes to figure out how to say that...

[Borys]

gross-kampf-shiffe

[Borys]

Can't trim her down by five metres, hey?

Yes, I'd have to.
Especially that I've got no Type 3 infrastructure anyway ...

Borys

[Borys]

Redesigned to fit Type 3 facilities.
20 ft shorter, MB now 12"

SMS Tiger, Habsburgs laid down 1916

Displacement:
   30 048 t light; 31 546 t standard; 33 285 t normal; 34 676 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   720,00 ft / 720,00 ft x 102,00 ft x 29,00 ft (normal load)
   219,46 m / 219,46 m x 31,09 m  x 8,84 m

Armament:
      6 - 13,50" / 343 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1 500,00lbs / 680,39kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      2 - 13,50" / 343 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1 500,00lbs / 680,39kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
     on centreline forward, all raised guns - superfiring
      12 - 6,00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100,00lbs / 45,36kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 13 200 lbs / 5 987 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 110
   4 - 20,0" / 508 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12,0" / 305 mm   450,00 ft / 137,16 m   16,00 ft / 4,88 m
   Ends:   4,00" / 102 mm   270,00 ft / 82,30 m   12,00 ft / 3,66 m
   Upper:   6,00" / 152 mm   450,00 ft / 137,16 m   8,00 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 96% of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,50" / 38 mm   450,00 ft / 137,16 m   45,50 ft / 13,87 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,0" / 330 mm   9,00" / 229 mm      10,0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   13,0" / 330 mm   9,00" / 229 mm      12,0" / 305 mm
   3rd:   4,00" / 102 mm         -         1,00" / 25 mm

   - Armour deck: 3,00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 13,50" / 343 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 89 695 shp / 66 912 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 8 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3 130 tons

Complement:
   1 231 - 1 601

Cost:
   £4,400 million / $17,601 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 392 tons, 4,2%
   Armour: 11 901 tons, 35,8%
      - Belts: 5 178 tons, 15,6%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1 136 tons, 3,4%
      - Armament: 2 449 tons, 7,4%
      - Armour Deck: 2 837 tons, 8,5%
      - Conning Tower: 301 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 3 342 tons, 10,0%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 13 064 tons, 39,2%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3 237 tons, 9,7%
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1,1%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     47 818 lbs / 21 690 Kg = 38,9 x 13,5 " / 343 mm shells or 8,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,12
   Metacentric height 6,4 ft / 1,9 m
   Roll period: 17,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0,547
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,06 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,83 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      31,00 ft / 9,45 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   24,00 ft / 7,32 m
      - Mid (45%):      24,00 ft / 7,32 m (16,25 ft / 4,95 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   16,25 ft / 4,95 m
      - Stern:      16,25 ft / 4,95 m
      - Average freeboard:   20,30 ft / 6,19 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84,5%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152,1%
   Waterplane Area: 51 109 Square feet or 4 748 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 111%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 188 lbs/sq ft or 916 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,26
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Desertfox]

All I can say is that it has too much armor. Why are ships here so heavily armored, when despite all our battles we have yet to see a SINGLE battleship/cruiser be sunk due to armor?

Oh and BTW the Alaskas are not battlecruisers, the real battlecruisers are the Iowas! ;D *ducks behind nearest wall* Unfortunately someone put to much armor on those ships. :P

[Borys]

All I can say is that it has too much armor. Why are ships here so heavily armored, when despite all our battles we have yet to see a SINGLE battleship/cruiser be sunk due to armor?

Maybe THAT is the reason ....
Borys

[Tanthalas]

just be glad I didnt come up with the Iowas LOL 2 more inches armor 2 knots slower ^.^