CSA Speculative Design Studies

[The Rock Doctor]

Obviously, I disavow any knowledge of your obligations to post falsified motivational posters in somebody else's thread.

[Walter]

But his Bear Cavalry can't stop our Neue Schwabian Penguin Army.

Yes, but there is a significant difference between the bears used by the Imperial Russian Army (as pictured above) and the Polar bears that the CSA plan to use. I was like "jikes!!!" when that grizzly shot past me and my dad at a distance of about 10 meters and made very unfrienly noises. My heart would probably have stopped if it were a polar bear. :o

Obviously, I disavow any knowledge of your obligations to post falsified motivational posters in somebody else's thread.

I see it as a propaganda campaign to prevent the CSA from building that exploration vessel. :)

[TexanCowboy]

Ok, removing the evil Polar Bears, is this okay for civilian standard? I think there is a rule over at wesworld that says that icebreakers can be built to civilian standards.

Edit: Oh, and Rocky, these are meant to build evil ports for evil ships to be based in. But not actually military itsself. It has a light armerment for signal flares and self defense _{against peiguiens}.

[Walter]

So you're saying that the CSA, with twice as many BPs as Japan, is unable to build the ship as a military vessel like Japan did? Looks like you need to send a few CSA planners to Tornado Alley and use them as tornado test dummies. ;D

[TexanCowboy]

Hey, hey, don't play with that. My area's in tornado watch all day. But, of course, I can't construct my evil plan for Antarctica without that. And Walter, this is much more evil that yours. Hunting Dogs+Polar Bears vs. Peiguins... be scared, be very scared.  ;D

[maddox]

Even removing the polarbears won't make this ship buildable inside the merchant rules.

Armament and armor together should not exceed 2% of the weight. In this case, the 7.7% of armor is a tad much.

There are several options open.

• Build it military.


• Refit an older warship to the purpose


• Use a civilian vessel and leave the fun to the moderators to see how that ship fairs in a military operation.

[TexanCowboy]

But most of the armour is nesasary for a ship in the Arctic. On your superliners, you have 5% armour, and you payed civilian for those. It really is the same principle here. Those bulkheads aren't there to protect againist torpedoes, but to fend off ice. The end armour isn't there to deflect shells, but to ram through ice. The deck isn't there to protect againist plunging shells, but to stregthen the deck againist falling ice.

[maddox]

Le Magnificent and Mercury are grandfathered vessels, and were build in the Nverse II, during the BB build stop of France. Those ships are military, not civilian.
How else to explain the fact that Le Magnificent survived being torpedo'd twice?

Between 1902 and 1906 no new French BB's were build, nor heavy cruisers, and the one BB of 1907 -Napoleon the Great-, was a reconstruction of a Napoleon class BB hull that was rusting away moored along a few buoys in Brest.

[Desertfox]

Hunting Dogs+Polar Bears vs. Peiguins... be scared, be very scared.

You lose...

[TexanCowboy]

Slimmed down the bulkhead, removed the armoured deck, and shorted the giant ice ram. I would be ok with building these to tender standard.

CSS Ike, CSA Antarctic Exploration laid down 1919 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   8,000 t light; 8,201 t standard; 9,890 t normal; 11,241 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.75 ft / 551.00 ft x 56.25 ft x 17.87 ft (normal load)
   170.00 m / 167.94 m x 17.14 m  x 5.45 m

Armament:
      2 - 3.50" / 88.9 mm guns in single mounts, 21.44lbs / 9.73kg shells, 1919 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 43 lbs / 19 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Ends:   0.50" / 13 mm     50.00 ft / 15.24 m   25.00 ft / 7.62 m
     501.00 ft / 152.70 m Unarmoured ends

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      0.38" / 10 mm   550.00 ft / 167.64 m   21.00 ft / 6.40 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20,000 shp / 14,920 Kw = 21.70 kts
   Range 20,000nm at 11.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,039 tons (10% coal)

Complement:
   495 - 644

Cost:
   £0.850 million / $3.402 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 5 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 187 tons, 1.9 %
      - Belts: 23 tons, 0.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 162 tons, 1.6 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 752 tons, 7.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,005 tons, 30.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,890 tons, 19.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4,050 tons, 41.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18,118 lbs / 8,218 Kg = 845.2 x 3.5 " / 89 mm shells or 2.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 2.5 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.01
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.625
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.80 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.47 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 25
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 11.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.89 ft / 0.58 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (10 %):   24.00 ft / 7.32 m (23.00 ft / 7.01 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Quarterdeck (10 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m (21.00 ft / 6.40 m before break)
      - Stern:      23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Average freeboard:   22.29 ft / 6.79 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 196.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,201 Square feet or 2,155 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 171 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 76 lbs/sq ft or 371 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.66
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc Weight:
250 tons: 10 Large Moter Launches@25 tons
1,000 tons: Science Facilities and space for Scientices, includes supplies and huts, etc. for a full year on Antarctica for 20 people.
600 tons: Area's for dog's and dog trainers. Each dog pack of 6 dogs@10 tons+40 trainers@5 tons, so 40 dog teams and 240 dogs
300 tons: TAMED POLAR BEARS! 12 bears@20 tons+12 trainers@5 tons
200 tons: A very long range(1,000+ miles)@100 tons, 3 backup long ranges@25 tons, and 2 short ranges at@12.5 tons
25 tons: Experimental "Ears" for hearing whales underwater
75 tons: Climitization
50 tons: Extra pumps for repelling ice water caused by breaks in the hull
50 tons: Signal rockets, etc.
500 tons: Repair Facilities for small ships: Tender role

[Desertfox]

Wait? Where are you getting the Poler Bears from again? Last I checked, I had the market cornered on big scary furry predators.

[TexanCowboy]

The unclaimed area.... but they can be Grizzleys. Capture the ones that raid my backyard ever single ****ing day.

[Desertfox]

You got Grizzleys in Tejas? Oh wait nvm, everything is 'bigger' in Texas.  :P

Getting back on topic, NS will not look very kindly to Gringos snooping around on its Antartic claim (OTL New Zealand, French, and Australian claims). 

http://antarcticparadise.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/antarctica1.jpg

[Borys]

Ahoj!
I shall frugally limit myself to the combined Chilean and Argentinian claim ...
Borys

[Walter]

Whether it is bears or penguins, they are no match for the starving demons of Takeshi-jo's Honeycomb Maze, who will eat them all raw. ;D

Hey, hey, don't play with that. My area's in tornado watch all day.

Could be worse. In a couple of months, you'll probably have more than just a watch. o_O

Science Facilities and space for Scientices, includes supplies and huts, etc. for a full year on Antarctica for 20 people.

I doubt that in this point of time you want your people down there for 365 days a year. Some time ago, I looked around at stuff about the pole for some things to use over at Wesworld and IIRC, Byrd was the first one to spend the winter on Antarctica (1928-1929). Even over at Wesworld, Japan's Antarctic Station for Environmental Observation (JASEO) and the Mount Erebus Volcanic Observation Station (MEVOS) are not used during the winter due to the harsh conditions.

Last I checked, I had the market cornered on big scary furry predators.

Well, only the nice fluffy bunnies with nasty, sharp pointy teeth. :)

The unclaimed area.... but they can be Grizzleys.

From that white bit in the North I assume. Could be worse than Grizzleys. Could be polar/grizzley crossings.

NS will not look very kindly to Gringos snooping around on its Antartic claim

A claim is just a claim and everyone can claim a bit even if it overlaps (as a Wesworld baddy citizen, you should know that). The one bit that Japan will claim for sure is the 90 degree bit and the area a few miles around the pole. :)


Regarding the current version of Ike. 10mm is not much armor. On the other hand, it is not an icebreaker.