the Oficial NS new ship ideas thread

[Korpen]

ill have to post the pic the deapth charges are actualy roughly midships (in the pic you cant miss em) hold on a sec ill post the pic.  Oh and realy at this stage all minesweeping gear consists of is a cable run between 2 ships (usualy destroyers) that they drag at a certian depth in the hope of disloging and exploding mines (atleast in the best of my knowlage)

Depth charges amidship is a horrible idea, as that would put huge limits on how one can drop them without blowing the ship apart.

[Sachmle]

Depth charges amidship is a horrible idea, as that would put huge limits on how one can drop them without blowing the ship apart.

Agree...bad things happen when DCs go off to soon, which as a new tech they will. If they're still along side when that happens no more DDs, or at least a very unhappy DD.

[Tanthalas]

meh ill rearange the pic later (I still think they look the best there)

[Sachmle]

Function over form in warships building, or you get really expensive coral reefs.

[Tanthalas]

Function over form in warships building, or you get really expensive coral reefs.

notes he inherited several of them already

[Desertfox]

NS has Advanced Mine Warfare so you have actual paravanes. So you can actually put the minesweeping gear midship, and the DC on the quarterdeck.

Found another pic of Swiss Ships (also 1':1pix):



From Top to Bottom,
Van Hakes (William Tells similar)
John Walter
Mountbattens

[Jefgte]

Cool drawings.

I prefer night drawing

"Walter in the stars"


Jef  ;)

[Desertfox]

That's one of the super secret 'Black Cats' special destroyers. They developed alot of the stuff that was later put on the standard destroyers. Here she is again, note that while the pattern is the same, the colors are different...

[Tanthalas]

Sisters for USNSS Independance (2 Planed Wasp & Hornet)

USNSS Wasp, USNS Battle Cruiser laid down 1913 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   25,000 t light; 26,168 t standard; 28,724 t normal; 30,769 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   690.00 ft / 690.00 ft x 95.00 ft x 30.00 ft (normal load)
   210.31 m / 210.31 m x 28.96 m  x 9.14 m

Armament:
      8 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (6x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      12 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns (6x2 guns), 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
   Weight of broadside 8,592 lbs / 3,897 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   448.00 ft / 136.55 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   242.00 ft / 73.76 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   448.00 ft / 136.55 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.00" / 25 mm   448.00 ft / 136.55 m   27.54 ft / 8.39 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 80,067 shp / 59,730 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,601 tons

Complement:
   1,103 - 1,434

Cost:
   £2.434 million / $9.736 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,074 tons, 3.7 %
   Armour: 10,279 tons, 35.8 %
      - Belts: 6,058 tons, 21.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 457 tons, 1.6 %
      - Armament: 1,890 tons, 6.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,633 tons, 5.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 242 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,243 tons, 11.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,054 tons, 35.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,724 tons, 13.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     39,983 lbs / 18,136 Kg = 46.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 17.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.511
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.26 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.27 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
      - Mid (73 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:   19.81 ft / 6.04 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 44,126 Square feet or 4,099 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 161 lbs/sq ft or 784 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.20
      - Overall: 1.00

   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250 tons FC
  25 tons Wireless
  25 tons Flag Facilities

[Desertfox]

Are you sure the 7,000 extra tons are worth the extra armor? And these only have half the range. You could almost build 3 regular Independance class for the price of two of these.

[Tanthalas]

Are you sure the 7,000 extra tons are worth the extra armor? And these only have half the range. You could almost build 3 regular Independance class for the price of two of these.

realy im not sure they are, although they are armored against 14" guns, and the 12" guns they pack would be able to penitrate the armor carried on most potential enemies.  The thought was since Everyone else wants to build the Various British BCs someone ought to build Derfflinger, which Wasp and Hornet are exact clones of.  Independance is Flawed IMHO, no TB and looking at the ships you/I lost in the last war most were to mines and Torpedos (that makes me think that a TB would be a usefull adition).

[Korpen]

Are you sure the 7,000 extra tons are worth the extra armor? And these only have half the range. You could almost build 3 regular Independance class for the price of two of these.

realy im not sure they are, although they are armored against 14" guns, and the 12" guns they pack would be able to penitrate the armor carried on most potential enemies.  The thought was since Everyone else wants to build the Various British BCs someone ought to build Derfflinger, which Wasp and Hornet are exact clones of.  Independance is Flawed IMHO, no TB and looking at the ships you/I lost in the last war most were to mines and Torpedos (that makes me think that a TB would be a usefull adition).

I think the Netherlands are the only ones going for "British"-style BCs. In fact I do not think anyone else have laid down BCs with guns larger then 30,5cm.
So at least the Iberian and GC BCs are already more in the "German" style.

As for the torpedo bulkhead, it need to be thicker, would say 30-35mm is the minimum (and everything over 50mm unnecessary). Thin bulkheads are likely to fail, and only provide a fraction of the indicated increase in real protection.

[The Rock Doctor]

It's a fairly good design, from my perspective.  Whether it's a good design for NS depends on who you expect to fight (next):

-Maoria, which favors firepower + armor > speed
-Netherlands, which favors firepower + speed > armor
-DKB, which favors speed + armor > firepower

...to say nothing of France or other powers.

[Tanthalas]

Are you sure the 7,000 extra tons are worth the extra armor? And these only have half the range. You could almost build 3 regular Independance class for the price of two of these.

realy im not sure they are, although they are armored against 14" guns, and the 12" guns they pack would be able to penitrate the armor carried on most potential enemies.  The thought was since Everyone else wants to build the Various British BCs someone ought to build Derfflinger, which Wasp and Hornet are exact clones of.  Independance is Flawed IMHO, no TB and looking at the ships you/I lost in the last war most were to mines and Torpedos (that makes me think that a TB would be a usefull adition).

I think the Netherlands are the only ones going for "British"-style BCs. In fact I do not think anyone else have laid down BCs with guns larger then 30,5cm.
So at least the Iberian and GC BCs are more in the "German" style.

yes they mount lighter guns but they also mount lighter armor, I think im the only one trying to meld armor onto my fast BBs, and as I pointed out with my Tigers Id like to mount heavier guns to (just got to develop the tech... ).  Now Korpen dont take this the wrong way, but you are a Potential enemy for me along with DKD, Maoria and Spain.  I considerd just droping an inch of Deck armor on independance and adding a TB to the class (they curently have 3" decks which is to much for the period imho) and I hope to avoid any engagements with france.

[Korpen]

yes they mount lighter guns but they also mount lighter armor, I think im the only one trying to meld armor onto my fast BBs, and as I pointed out with my Tigers Id like to mount heavier guns to (just got to develop the tech... ).  Now Korpen dont take this the wrong way, but you are a Potential enemy for me along with DKD, Maoria and Spain.  I considerd just droping an inch of Deck armor on independance and adding a TB to the class (they curently have 3" decks which is to much for the period imho) and I hope to avoid any engagements with france.

The Netherlands is defiantly a potential opponent of New Switzerland considering that relations have not normalised.

I think it is natural to compare your "wasp" to Wilhelmina der Nederlanden, as they belong to the same generation and are the same size.
In a duelling situation Wilhelmina is superior both in protection and in firepower.
Wasp is better protected in a shorter rang melee-situation were large numbers of small and medium calibre hits can be expected, but Wilhelmina's armour scheme protects her allot better from some 30,5cm shells then Wasps protect her from the same number of 38cm shells...


And when will we see the springsharps of the ships in the catch-up reports? Some of us are curious. :)

I know Desertfox outlined some in his thread: http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=2390.msg25320#msg25320
But I see that they are not correct as New Switzerland lacks the tech to build them at the times indicated by Desertfox.