somthing I played with Yesterday

[Tanthalas]

ok ok so its a tad of overkill but all in fun though ^.^

USNSS Queen Elizabeth II, USNS Battlecruiser laid down 1912

Displacement:
   27,000 t light; 28,280 t standard; 32,777 t normal; 36,375 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   811.06 ft / 792.00 ft x 91.10 ft x 31.80 ft (normal load)
   247.21 m / 241.40 m x 27.77 m  x 9.69 m

Armament:
      10 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4 mounts), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 1 raised mount - superfiring
      16 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships, 12 raised mounts - superfiring
      56 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1912 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      34 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1912 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 10,390 lbs / 4,713 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   444.00 ft / 135.33 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   348.00 ft / 106.07 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   443.24 ft / 135.10 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 86 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      11.0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 79,456 shp / 59,274 Kw = 27.50 kts
   Range 12,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 8,095 tons

Complement:
   1,217 - 1,583

Cost:
   £2.481 million / $9.922 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,299 tons, 4.0 %
   Armour: 9,607 tons, 29.3 %
      - Belts: 3,769 tons, 11.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 2,820 tons, 8.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,775 tons, 8.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 243 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 3,168 tons, 9.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 12,456 tons, 38.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,748 tons, 17.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     53,393 lbs / 24,219 Kg = 61.8 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 4.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 16.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.65
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.54

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
     and transom stern
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.69 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 32.48 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 22.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.30 ft / 1.01 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      39.00 ft / 11.89 m
      - Forecastle (22 %):   27.70 ft / 8.44 m
      - Mid (40 %):      21.50 ft / 6.55 m
      - Quarterdeck (22 %):   21.50 ft / 6.55 m
      - Stern:      21.50 ft / 6.55 m
      - Average freeboard:   24.42 ft / 7.44 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 63.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 176.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 49,992 Square feet or 4,644 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 122 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 167 lbs/sq ft or 813 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.33
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

hey i thought since i decided to name it after a female why not make it a big fat one =P , oh and the guns are lion style (the trip would be the aft most gun ^.^

[Logi]

Super Overkill  :P

FRS H15-1, Floating Republic Battleship laid down 1915

Displacement:
   137,480 t light; 143,739 t standard; 157,350 t normal; 168,238 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (1,186.87 ft / 1,150.00 ft) x 160.00 ft (Bulges 170.00 ft) x (45.00 / 47.76 ft)
   (361.76 m / 350.52 m) x 48.77 m (Bulges 51.82 m)  x (13.72 / 14.56 m)

Armament:
      8 - 20.00" / 508 mm 80.0 cal guns - 4,564.46lbs / 2,070.40kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1915 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, forward deck forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline, aft deck aft
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      12 - 5.00" / 127 mm 45.0 cal guns - 63.03lbs / 28.59kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1915 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      80 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.25lbs / 0.11kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1915 Model
     20 x 2 row twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 37,292 lbs / 16,915 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   1,150.00 ft / 350.52 m   50.00 ft / 15.24 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   850.00 ft / 259.08 m   45.00 ft / 13.72 m

   - Hull Bulges:
      1.00" / 25 mm   350.00 ft / 106.68 m   45.00 ft / 13.72 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      14.0" / 356 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      4.00" / 102 mm
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 8.00" / 203 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 8.00" / 203 mm  Quarter deck: 8.00" / 203 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.00" / 305 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 276,182 shp / 206,032 Kw = 29.00 kts
   Range 20,000nm at 13.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 24,500 tons

Complement:
   3,949 - 5,135

Cost:
   £18.037 million / $72.146 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 11,773 tons, 7.5 %
   Armour: 65,158 tons, 41.4 %
      - Belts: 31,913 tons, 20.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 2,831 tons, 1.8 %
      - Bulges: 583 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 8,508 tons, 5.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 20,570 tons, 13.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 754 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 10,461 tons, 6.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 49,688 tons, 31.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 19,870 tons, 12.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 0.3 %
      - Hull below water: 80 tons
      - Hull above water: 30 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 40 tons
      - Above deck: 250 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     314,130 lbs / 142,487 Kg = 78.5 x 20.0 " / 508 mm shells or 61.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 14.8 ft / 4.5 m
   Roll period: 18.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     an extended bulbous bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.631
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.76 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 33.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  50.00 ft / 15.24 m,  45.00 ft / 13.72 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  45.00 ft / 13.72 m,  40.00 ft / 12.19 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  40.00 ft / 12.19 m,  45.00 ft / 13.72 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  45.00 ft / 13.72 m,  50.00 ft / 15.24 m
      - Average freeboard:      44.15 ft / 13.46 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 65.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 282.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 137,871 Square feet or 12,809 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 270 lbs/sq ft or 1,317 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.57
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


I'm not the most experienced person, but here goes. Isn't 11" belt too much? Even the Iowas were only 7.5" and they were to withstand their own 16" guns. The ship is also excessively huge for its firepower and displacement, I also think 100 shells is a tad too small for such a ship. Of course after seeing that no one mentioned that, I must be in the wrong... *Goes depressed in a corner*

[Desertfox]

Overkill? There IS no overkill! Only open fire and reload!


I had this sucker lying around.



NSS Alaska, New Switzerland Battleship laid down 1916

Displacement:
   30,660 t light; 32,400 t standard; 35,910 t normal; 38,719 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   720.00 ft / 720.00 ft x 97.00 ft x 32.90 ft (normal load)
   219.46 m / 219.46 m x 29.57 m  x 10.03 m

Armament:
      12 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (6x2 guns), 1,390.00lbs / 630.49kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread, 3 raised mounts
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 1916 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1916 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1916 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 18,136 lbs / 8,226 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     20.00 ft / 6.10 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 85 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 7.00" / 178 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 92,905 shp / 69,307 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6,319 tons

Complement:
   1,303 - 1,695

Cost:
   £5.644 million / $22.578 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2,252 tons, 6.3 %
   Armour: 10,474 tons, 29.2 %
      - Belts: 3,655 tons, 10.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 3,958 tons, 11.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,698 tons, 7.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 164 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 3,461 tons, 9.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 14,072 tons, 39.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,251 tons, 14.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     41,755 lbs / 18,940 Kg = 30.4 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 3.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 17.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.85
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.547
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.42 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.83 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 42
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      32.00 ft / 9.75 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Mid (50 %):      21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Stern:      21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Average freeboard:   21.88 ft / 6.67 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 48,604 Square feet or 4,515 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 199 lbs/sq ft or 970 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.39
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Logi]

Ah just remembered... The Iowas had 7.5" deck and 11.5" belt...
I retain my arguement that ships seem undergunned for its size. Which it seems to make up with its speed compared with other ships.

You keep fighting that way, I'll conserve my bullets  ;)
Somehow, I like that my ridicously oversized ship can down your Battleship in 1 shot  :D

[Tanthalas]

LOL Logi many of my previous BBs had a 12" belt and 12" guns and that ship isnt oversized for its firepower at all I actualy took the USS Alaska shrunk it a tad backdated her and added one more gun.  and now a serious ship

USNSS Sipan, USNS Destroyer laid down 1912

Displacement:
   1,000 t light; 1,041 t standard; 1,254 t normal; 1,424 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   330.53 ft / 320.00 ft x 32.00 ft x 13.00 ft (normal load)
   100.75 m / 97.54 m x 9.75 m  x 3.96 m

Armament:
      4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      10 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns in one mount, 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1912 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mount
     on side aft, 2 raised guns
   Weight of broadside 130 lbs / 59 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   6 - 20.0" / 508 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 17,978 shp / 13,412 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 383 tons

Complement:
   104 - 136

Cost:
   £0.133 million / $0.531 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 16 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 599 tons, 47.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 362 tons, 28.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 247 tons, 19.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 2.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     419 lbs / 190 Kg = 13.1 x 4.0 " / 102 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 10.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.29
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
     and transom stern
   Block coefficient: 0.330
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.96 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 23.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.62 ft / 0.49 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forecastle (14 %):   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Mid (40 %):      18.00 ft / 5.49 m (9.00 ft / 2.74 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (7 %):   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Stern:      9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Average freeboard:   12.77 ft / 3.89 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 166.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 90.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 6,507 Square feet or 605 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 79 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 148 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.82
      - Overall: 0.57
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Bash away I havnt worked up a DD forever.

[Desertfox]

You are putting way too many AA guns on the ships. 4 MGs are really all you need right now.

The DD looks pretty good. Long legged, fast, and good seakeeping, definately Swiss. She is undergunned and NS uses 19.7" torpedoes (a one off calibre since everything else is English), also no 20mm guns, instead NS has 40mm and 50cal. If you could stuff in another 3 4" guns (Hawkins style), she would make a real nice destroyer leader.

[miketr]

I like the DD over all...  other than the two many AAA.  Whats the break down on the Misc Weight?  If you could some how squeez more out of the hull you might be able to afford a DD fire control set.

Michael

[Tanthalas]

I could proly get a tad more out of the hull I was trying to not get a "not enough deckspace" message like all my old ones got ^.^

[Desertfox]

A 330'x30' destroyer with 5x5" guns:


There should be enough space to squeeze in 3 more 4" guns. It's tight but possible.

Is DD firecontrol worth it? With 4" guns, it's probably more deadweight than actually useful.

[Korpen]

The DD looks pretty good. Long legged, fast, and good seakeeping, definately Swiss. She is undergunned and NS uses 19.7" torpedoes (a one off calibre since everything else is English), also no 20mm guns, instead NS has 40mm and 50cal. If you could stuff in another 3 4" guns (Hawkins style), she would make a real nice destroyer leader.

Suggestion: Write a quick list over NS guns, it should go fast for someone familiar with the NS, and be helpful for a new player.

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
     and transom stern
   Block coefficient: 0.330

Thought it was something strange with a ship being that fast with so little shp.
Transoms are still not ok, and springsharp stops working if BC goes below 0,38

[Borys]

Apart from the BC and being too slaw, the ship looks OK.
4x4" on a fast ship that size is OK in my eyes.
Borys

[Tanthalas]

there removed the transtom stern fixed the torp and gun issues anything else im missing (other than a breakdown on the misc weight since I cant seem to find a list of what things weigh)

USNSS Sipan, USNS Destroyer laid down 1912

Displacement:
   1,000 t light; 1,034 t standard; 1,261 t normal; 1,443 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   315.00 ft / 315.00 ft x 31.50 ft x 12.50 ft (normal load)
   96.01 m / 96.01 m x 9.60 m  x 3.81 m

Armament:
      4 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns (2x2 guns), 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1912 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 128 lbs / 58 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120
   6 - 19.7" / 500.38 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,058 shp / 16,455 Kw = 30.00 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 409 tons

Complement:
   105 - 137

Cost:
   £0.138 million / $0.554 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 16 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 643 tons, 51.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 311 tons, 24.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 261 tons, 20.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 2.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     319 lbs / 145 Kg = 10.0 x 4.0 " / 102 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.43
   Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 10.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.356
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.75 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forecastle (14 %):   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Mid (40 %):      18.00 ft / 5.49 m (9.00 ft / 2.74 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (7 %):   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Stern:      9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Average freeboard:   12.77 ft / 3.89 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 176.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 6,021 Square feet or 559 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 66 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 27 lbs/sq ft or 131 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.48
      - Longitudinal: 1.57
      - Overall: 0.51
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

btw thanks for pointing out the stern korpen I compleatly forgot we wernt allowed to use them

[The Rock Doctor]

Your block co-efficient needs to be at least 0.38, and probably more like .40.  You've also got insufficient cross-sectional hull strength...

[Korpen]

btw thanks for pointing out the stern korpen I compleatly forgot we wernt allowed to use them

They i am going to be annoying and point out:

Block coefficient: 0.356

See the link below.

breakdown on the misc weight since I cant seem to find a list of what things weigh

http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=2726.0
Got some breakowns on misc weight

[Desertfox]

Weight breakdowns from several Swiss destroyer designs from 1909:

William Tell
4t Torpedoes
4t Minesweeping gear
4t Night Fighting Mods 'Black Cats'
2t Hydrophones

Kidd
10t Wireless
4t Torpedoes
4t Minesweeping gear
4t Night Fighting Mods 'Black Cats'
2t Hydrophones

Fritz II
5t WIDAR
4t Torpedoes

From this thread:
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=1222.0