Ukrainean Cruiser 1911

[nikitol]

Karpaty, Ukraine Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   2 720 t light; 2 859 t standard; 3 100 t normal; 3 292 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   416,22 ft / 379,92 ft x 38,71 ft x 13,62 ft (normal load)
   126,86 m / 115,80 m x 11,80 m  x 4,15 m

Armament:
      2 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 824 lbs / 374 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 18,0" / 457 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:

   - Armour deck: 1,97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 2,95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 21 705 shp / 16 192 Kw = 26,00 kts
   Range 3 500nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 433 tons

Complement:
   207 - 270

Cost:
   £0,317 million / $1,268 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 103 tons, 3,3%
   Armour: 384 tons, 12,4%
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armour Deck: 371 tons, 12,0%
      - Conning Tower: 14 tons, 0,4%
   Machinery: 967 tons, 31,2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 176 tons, 37,9%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 380 tons, 12,3%
   Miscellaneous weights: 90 tons, 2,9%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 601 lbs / 1 180 Kg = 25,3 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 0,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,25
   Metacentric height 1,8 ft / 0,5 m
   Roll period: 12,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,51
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,61

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,542
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,81 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 58 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 32,81 ft / 10,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Stern:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 130,0%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122,0%
   Waterplane Area: 10 186 Square feet or 946 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 301 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,90
      - Longitudinal: 2,65
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Borys]

NED (not enough deck space)
:D
Range is awful - but I suppose adequate for the Baltic or Black Sea.
Borys

[olekit]

where is NED? didn't found it....

range is good to bombard my black sea or Riga's gulf seashore.

But too innocent, paper made hull... i'm afraid my ships will sunk her before she opens fire

[Borys]

Sorry, should be NEDS - and this is my acronym :)

Borys

[Korpen]

NED (not enough deck space)

Disagree on that.
Deckspace should not relly be a big problem as she only have three gun per side, there is plenty of space for those.

I am more facinated by the 10m stern overhang. :)

[nikitol]

Korpen, I'm fasinated too... and there must be a mistake. I'l recalculate it... 12 degree for bow and 10 degree for stern... better to recalculate.

Borys, there should not be any NED. Loook to the "Baya" class cruisers. My ship is a copy of her.

And olekit, are you shure you can found me first to sunk, before I bombard your seashore?? ;)

[nikitol]

Karpaty, Ukraine Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   3 235 t light; 3 386 t standard; 3 691 t normal; 3 935 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   430,00 ft / 393,70 ft x 42,65 ft x 13,62 ft (normal load)
   131,06 m / 120,00 m x 13,00 m  x 4,15 m

Armament:
      2 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 824 lbs / 374 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 18,0" / 457 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:

   - Armour deck: 1,97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 2,95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 28 422 shp / 21 203 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 4 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 549 tons

Complement:
   236 - 307

Cost:
   £0,377 million / $1,510 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 103 tons, 2,8%
   Armour: 448 tons, 12,1%
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armour Deck: 433 tons, 11,7%
      - Conning Tower: 15 tons, 0,4%
   Machinery: 1 269 tons, 34,4%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 324 tons, 35,9%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 456 tons, 12,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 90 tons, 2,4%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 943 lbs / 1 335 Kg = 28,6 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 0,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,38
   Metacentric height 2,4 ft / 0,7 m
   Roll period: 11,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,565
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,23 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 32,81 ft / 10,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Stern:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 135,7%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 128,9%
   Waterplane Area: 11 885 Square feet or 1 104 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 65 lbs/sq ft or 319 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,92
      - Longitudinal: 2,08
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Guinness]

I think the problem with the stern overhang may be that you think it's in degrees, but it's really in meters (the difference between the waterline length and length at the stern). 10m feels like a lot.

[Sachmle]

I think the problem with the stern overhang may be that you think it's in degrees, but it's really in meters (the difference between the waterline length and length at the stern). 10m feels like a lot.

Guinness is right. If you want a 10 degree stern overhang, but 10 in the bow angle box and 0 in the stern overhang box. Then note the difference between the WL length and the Overall length. This will be your stern overhang length. Put that number there and then put in the actual bow angle number. And remember, if you want her to fit in a type 1 slip the OVERALL length must be 120m or less, not the WATERLINE length.

[Jefgte]

Guinness & Sachmle are right.

"...Length overall / water
     131,06 m / 120,00 m..."

#11m that's too much for your ship


Jef  ;)

[nikitol]

Karpaty, Ukraine Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   3 235 t light; 3 386 t standard; 3 691 t normal; 3 935 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   397,84 ft / 393,70 ft x 42,65 ft x 13,62 ft (normal load)
   121,26 m / 120,00 m x 13,00 m  x 4,15 m

Armament:
      2 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102,98lbs / 46,71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 824 lbs / 374 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150
   6 - 18,0" / 457 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:

   - Armour deck: 1,97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 2,95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 28 422 shp / 21 203 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 4 000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 549 tons

Complement:
   236 - 307

Cost:
   £0,377 million / $1,510 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 103 tons, 2,8%
   Armour: 448 tons, 12,1%
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armament: 0 tons, 0,0%
      - Armour Deck: 433 tons, 11,7%
      - Conning Tower: 15 tons, 0,4%
   Machinery: 1 269 tons, 34,4%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 324 tons, 35,9%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 456 tons, 12,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 90 tons, 2,4%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 943 lbs / 1 335 Kg = 28,6 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 0,7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,38
   Metacentric height 2,4 ft / 0,7 m
   Roll period: 11,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0,565
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,23 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 3,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Mid (50%):      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Stern:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16,40 ft / 5,00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 135,7%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 128,9%
   Waterplane Area: 11 885 Square feet or 1 104 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 65 lbs/sq ft or 319 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,92
      - Longitudinal: 2,08
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Sachmle]

And remember, if you want her to fit in a type 1 slip the OVERALL length must be 120m or less, not the WATERLINE length.

Is there an echo in here? But seriously, aside from the length thing, and that's of course only IF you want it to fit in a type 1 slip/dock. If you don't care if it's too big for a type 1, then it's fine as is.

[nikitol]

I have Type 2 slips and docks :)

[Sachmle]

Good. But...if you shave off 1.26m she fits in a type 1, which lets you use the type 2s for bigger things. You call of course.