Italia 1913 Armored Cruiser

ctwaterman · July 09, 2008, 04:46:14 AM

Please Shed at leasure

Italia AC - 1913, Italia Armoured Cruiser laid down 1913 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   14,111 t light; 14,636 t standard; 16,282 t normal; 17,600 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   542.13 ft / 540.00 ft x 82.00 ft x 26.00 ft (normal load)
   165.24 m / 164.59 m x 24.99 m x 7.92 m

Armament:
10 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns (5x2 guns), 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1913 Model
     Quick firing guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships, 6 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns in single mounts, 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1913 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 3,426 lbs / 1,554 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   332.00 ft / 101.19 m   10.80 ft / 3.29 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   196.00 ft / 59.74 m   10.20 ft / 3.11 m
     12.00 ft / 3.66 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   4.00 ft / 1.22 m
     Main Belt covers 95 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.50" / 38 mm   272.00 ft / 82.91 m   23.00 ft / 7.01 m

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm     -           -

- Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 51,478 shp / 38,403 Kw = 25.67 kts
   Range 7,500nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,964 tons

Complement:
   719 - 936

Cost:
   £1.245 million / $4.979 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 428 tons, 2.6 %
   Armour: 5,385 tons, 33.1 %
     - Belts: 1,955 tons, 12.0 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 347 tons, 2.1 %
     - Armament: 1,587 tons, 9.7 %
     - Armour Deck: 1,358 tons, 8.3 %
     - Conning Tower: 138 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2,053 tons, 12.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,845 tons, 35.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,171 tons, 13.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     26,080 lbs / 11,830 Kg = 101.9 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 4.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.03
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 17.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.29

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle
   Block coefficient: 0.495
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.59 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.24 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.13 ft / 0.65 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
     - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
     - Forecastle (18 %):   26.00 ft / 7.92 m (20.00 ft / 6.10 m aft of break)
     - Mid (50 %):      20.00 ft / 6.10 m
     - Quarterdeck (20 %):   20.00 ft / 6.10 m
     - Stern:      18.93 ft / 5.77 m
     - Average freeboard:   20.97 ft / 6.39 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,369 Square feet or 2,728 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 122 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 134 lbs/sq ft or 654 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.75
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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Sachmle · July 09, 2008, 05:14:05 AM

Quote from: ctwaterman on July 09, 2008, 04:46:14 AM
Please Shed at leasure

No shedding, I just swept! :D :D

Quote8 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns in single mounts, 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1913 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas

I presume you meant deck level, not hull mounts. Just leave the "below deck" box as 0 to solve this.

Honestly, and I know one likes to make their own designs, for that weight you'd be better off doing a upgraded SBB-1910 design. http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=1367.msg20788#msg20788 Only 318t heavier, roughly same speed, and double the firepower. Throw in 1912 engines and you can probably get more speed on a slightly modified hull.

ctwaterman · July 09, 2008, 07:20:23 PM

Probably the problem is without the original design saved onto my computer I find it difficult to recreate some designs - I will look at some of my older designs and try to recreate them onto my computer - That and I wanted to play with Twin Turrets - I think Im going to have to build a bunch of new guns and turrets.....

ctwaterman · July 10, 2008, 11:31:27 PM

There a better armored Cruiser.... or small battle ship

SBB-1913, Italia Small Battle Ship laid down 1913 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   14,411 t light; 15,080 t standard; 16,143 t normal; 16,994 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 557.00 ft x 74.00 ft x 23.00 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 169.77 m x 22.56 m x 7.01 m

Armament:
8 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3 mounts), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
16 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1913 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 6,077 lbs / 2,757 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm   257.00 ft / 78.33 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   2.00" / 51 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 83 % of normal length

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   2.00" / 51 mm        -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm     -           -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 56,164 shp / 41,898 Kw = 26.16 kts
   Range 6,600nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,913 tons

Complement:
   715 - 930

Cost:
   £1.588 million / $6.354 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 760 tons, 4.7 %
   Armour: 4,608 tons, 28.5 %
     - Belts: 2,239 tons, 13.9 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Armament: 1,148 tons, 7.1 %
     - Armour Deck: 1,111 tons, 6.9 %
     - Conning Tower: 110 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,239 tons, 13.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,579 tons, 40.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,732 tons, 10.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 225 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     20,616 lbs / 9,351 Kg = 31.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.04
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 16.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.89
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.596
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.53 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
     - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
     - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
     - Mid (52 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m
     - Quarterdeck (20 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
     - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
     - Average freeboard:   19.26 ft / 5.87 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 159.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 30,034 Square feet or 2,790 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 151 lbs/sq ft or 735 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.51
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

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Sachmle · July 11, 2008, 12:58:18 AM

Quote8 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3 mounts), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1913 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority aft, all raised mounts - superfiring

Only gun turrets/guns that are above the main deck have to be "raised". I'm guessing that this is supposed to be "A" & "Y" as triples and "X" as a raised twin, correct? If so just put a 2 in the 'above deck' box and leave the 'below deck' as a 0. Check my "Battlecruisers in RL" thread in the General Naval Discussions to help judge were she'd rate. Not bad overall IMO. Keep trying, they're getting better.

ctwaterman · July 11, 2008, 01:13:59 AM

*Grumbles* Thats what I get for copying a ship verbatum and then altering it from my Ships list I altered the one of my BC you quoted below. I will fix this...

Hey can your remember where the post concerning refiting ship with Fire Control... I reall dont want to have to do complete refit especially not on the ship which just finished it 3 month shake down cruise in 1912.

Sachmle · July 11, 2008, 01:17:07 AM

Latest version doesn't include this so I don't know if it's still valid. Check w/ mods.
http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=121.msg20204#msg20204
So if still valid $0.5 + 5% total ship cost. Doesn't say how much time it takes though.

ctwaterman · July 11, 2008, 01:19:51 AM

Thanks and here is the fixed ship lowering those turrets allowed me to put some more armor back on it..... ;D

SBB-1913, Italia Small Battle Ship laid down 1913 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   14,411 t light; 15,080 t standard; 16,143 t normal; 16,994 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 557.00 ft x 74.00 ft x 23.00 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 169.77 m x 22.56 m x 7.01 m

Armament:
8 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3 mounts), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
16 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1913 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 6,077 lbs / 2,757 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   257.00 ft / 78.33 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 83 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   2.00" / 51 mm        -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm     -           -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 57,228 shp / 42,692 Kw = 26.28 kts
   Range 6,600nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,913 tons

Complement:
   715 - 930

Cost:
   £1.595 million / $6.380 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 760 tons, 4.7 %
   Armour: 5,006 tons, 31.0 %
     - Belts: 2,755 tons, 17.1 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Armament: 1,029 tons, 6.4 %
     - Armour Deck: 1,111 tons, 6.9 %
     - Conning Tower: 110 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,282 tons, 14.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,139 tons, 38.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,732 tons, 10.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 225 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21,255 lbs / 9,641 Kg = 31.9 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 15.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.596
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.53 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
     - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
     - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
     - Mid (52 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m
     - Quarterdeck (20 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
     - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
     - Average freeboard:   19.26 ft / 5.87 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 159.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 30,034 Square feet or 2,790 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 141 lbs/sq ft or 686 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.49
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

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Sachmle · July 11, 2008, 01:26:29 AM

QuoteArmour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 18.00 ft / 5.49 m
Ends: 3.00" / 76 mm 257.00 ft / 78.33 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Upper: 3.00" / 76 mm 300.00 ft / 91.44 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Main Belt covers 83 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

Almost there. To lengthen the main belt you may have to add some weight if you don't want to cut back on the end/upper armour.

And definately an Armoured Cruiser/Armoured Frigate/Battlecruiser/Whatever you wanna call it, but w/ 8" main belt and 9" turret faces she's not a BB.

ctwaterman · July 11, 2008, 01:40:29 AM

I caught it just after I posted it lengthen belt .7 Inches shorten Ends .7 Inches...... I agree she is some sort of Really Heavy Cruiser of Battle Cruiser but defenetly not a BB. I need the speed for scouting until I can actually get that Carrier up and working..... :o *not likely soon*

SBB-1913, Italia Small Battle Ship laid down 1913 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   14,411 t light; 15,080 t standard; 16,143 t normal; 16,994 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 557.00 ft x 74.00 ft x 23.00 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 169.77 m x 22.56 m x 7.01 m

Armament:
8 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3 mounts), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1913 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
16 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1913 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 6,077 lbs / 2,757 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   300.70 ft / 91.65 m   18.00 ft / 5.49 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   256.30 ft / 78.12 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 83 % of normal length

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   2.00" / 51 mm        -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm     -           -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 57,228 shp / 42,692 Kw = 26.28 kts
   Range 6,600nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,913 tons

Complement:
   715 - 930

Cost:
   £1.595 million / $6.380 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 760 tons, 4.7 %
   Armour: 5,008 tons, 31.0 %
     - Belts: 2,758 tons, 17.1 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Armament: 1,029 tons, 6.4 %
     - Armour Deck: 1,111 tons, 6.9 %
     - Conning Tower: 110 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,282 tons, 14.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,136 tons, 38.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,732 tons, 10.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 225 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21,255 lbs / 9,641 Kg = 31.9 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.13
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 15.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.596
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.53 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
     - Stem:      26.00 ft / 7.92 m
     - Forecastle (20 %):   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
     - Mid (52 %):      22.00 ft / 6.71 m
     - Quarterdeck (20 %):   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
     - Stern:      13.00 ft / 3.96 m
     - Average freeboard:   19.26 ft / 5.87 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 159.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 30,034 Square feet or 2,790 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 140 lbs/sq ft or 686 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.48
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

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ctwaterman · July 11, 2008, 04:57:27 AM

I think I will rename that ship above AC - 1913 and call it a day.

Jefgte · July 11, 2008, 05:12:20 AM

8 - 11.00" / 279 mm guns (3 mounts), 665.50lbs / 301.87kg shells, 1913 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
---------------

???
8 guns
3 mounts
1 rma, superfiring
???

Jef ;)

ctwaterman · July 11, 2008, 06:09:53 AM

2 Turrets Each with 3 x 11" Guns and one Superfiring Turret Aft with 2 x 11"

Jefgte · July 11, 2008, 07:14:21 AM

AXY

A= T3x11"
X=T2x11" superfiring
Y = T3x11"

That's OK

Jef ;)