Ottoman Cruisers

[miketr]

OK with the engine tech the ottomans will shortly have (h2 1910) they could build the following ships to update their cruiser force.  I programmed in two AC's but most likely I will switch it to 1 AC and several PC's as their light cruiser force is badly dated.

Michael

AC-1910, Ottoman Empire Armored Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   13,200 t light; 13,868 t standard; 14,691 t normal; 15,349 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   459.32 ft / 459.32 ft x 82.02 ft x 26.25 ft (normal load)
   140.00 m / 140.00 m x 25.00 m  x 8.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 9.84" / 250 mm guns (2x2 guns), 476.75lbs / 216.25kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 9.84" / 250 mm guns (4x2 guns), 476.75lbs / 216.25kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      10 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      10 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 6,881 lbs / 3,121 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 90
   4 - 17.7" / 450 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   298.56 ft / 91.00 m   10.86 ft / 3.31 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   160.73 ft / 48.99 m   10.86 ft / 3.31 m
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   298.56 ft / 91.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   7.87" / 200 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   9.84" / 250 mm   7.87" / 200 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   3rd:   3.94" / 100 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 35,000 shp / 26,110 Kw = 23.13 kts
   Range 5,090nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,481 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   666 - 867

Cost:
   £1.429 million / $5.718 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 860 tons, 5.9 %
   Armour: 4,835 tons, 32.9 %
      - Belts: 2,283 tons, 15.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,705 tons, 11.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 745 tons, 5.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 102 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 1,750 tons, 11.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,425 tons, 36.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,491 tons, 10.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 330 tons, 2.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15,849 lbs / 7,189 Kg = 33.2 x 9.8 " / 250 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 16.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.520
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.43 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.11 ft / 5.22 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,567 Square feet or 2,375 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 149 lbs/sq ft or 729 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.12
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Long Range Radio 25 tons, four 17.7" torpedoes & 330 tons construction reserve

PC-1910, Ottoman Empire  Protected Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   3,606 t light; 3,830 t standard; 4,249 t normal; 4,585 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 45.93 ft x 18.04 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 14.00 m  x 5.50 m

Armament:
      5 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, majority forward, 3 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      8 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 928 lbs / 421 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   4 - 17.7" / 450 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   308.40 ft / 94.00 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 121 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 4.72" / 120 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 26,000 shp / 19,396 Kw = 26.14 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 755 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   263 - 342

Cost:
   £0.406 million / $1.623 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 116 tons, 2.7 %
   Armour: 605 tons, 14.2 %
      - Belts: 304 tons, 7.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 63 tons, 1.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 211 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 27 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 1,300 tons, 30.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,540 tons, 36.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 643 tons, 15.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 46 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,256 lbs / 1,477 Kg = 31.6 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 12.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 55 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.456
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   14.44 ft / 4.40 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Stern:      13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.43 ft / 4.40 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 123.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,590 Square feet or 1,077 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 80 lbs/sq ft or 389 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.87
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

Short Range Radio 10 tons, Four (2x2) 17.7" Torpedoes 4 tons & 32 tons construction reserve

[Korpen]

OK with the engine tech the ottomans will shortly have (h2 1910) they could build the following ships to update their cruiser force.  I programmed in two AC's but most likely I will switch it to 1 AC and several PC's as their light cruiser force is badly dated.

AC-1910, Ottoman Empire Armored Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Considering the ships of the Ottomans neighbours, I have some problems with this ship, and would be interested in knowing the thought behind the design.
The reason I question it is that when looking first at the Italian and Habsburg battleships, most of them have speeds of 22kts or more. Italy also has some with speeds of 25kts (and ignoring the 1911 ships). All those ships are capable of outfighting this AC by a wide margin.
So this marks enemy light cruisers as the primary targets, but she is far to slow to be able to catch or engage them.
 
While her protection is not bad, it is not very good either, a bit overkill for the Italian and Iberian 20&25cm guns, but too weak against BBs guns (considering her weak main battery).

Of course I could see her in another context then she is intended for, that is why I think it would be very nice to know the background for her. :)

PC-1910, Ottoman Empire  Protected Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Belt does not cover magazines.
Other then that; were are the mines? The Ottomans seems to be very advanced in mine technology so it is strange that she does not carry any.

[miketr]

Part of the problem is the Ottomans general lack of cash and all resources.  I can't R&D a new gun and turret so I had to stick with weapons they already have in service.  Also BB/AC tech is limited to hex ships.  The design is a compromise as a result and not the best possible on displacement just the best I can see the Ottomans building.  She is intended a counter to the Italian Gothicus Combat Cruiser and her speed is close 23.1 to 23.2 knots.  I did think about a 280mm design to give her more fire power but that would just result in clone of my own cross deckers so I went with the smaller weapon. 

http://www.navalism.org/index.php?topic=1368.msg14310#msg14310

The Austrians don't have an active armored cruiser type in 1910, I doubt the Turks worry much about SMS Budapest.  While I am about to knife them I don't see Iberia as being much on the turks radar, that will change by 1911 at which point I will increase the numbers of TB's being built.

In general the Ottomans just need something that can run around the eastern Med and Black Sea.

Does this help?

Michael

[miketr]

As to the PC, I will make some changes for the belt and mine tech; the former was because I up engined the design and forgot to check armor and the later is I forgot.  Thanks for the catch...

Michael

[miketr]

try2...

Michael

PC-1910-b, Ottoman Empire  Protected Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   3,621 t light; 3,830 t standard; 4,249 t normal; 4,585 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 45.93 ft x 18.04 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 14.00 m  x 5.50 m

Armament:
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      8 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 825 lbs / 374 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   4 - 17.7" / 450 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   312.66 ft / 95.30 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 4.72" / 120 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 26,000 shp / 19,396 Kw = 26.14 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 755 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   263 - 342

Cost:
   £0.395 million / $1.581 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 103 tons, 2.4 %
   Armour: 601 tons, 14.1 %
      - Belts: 308 tons, 7.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 56 tons, 1.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 211 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 27 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 1,300 tons, 30.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,516 tons, 35.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 629 tons, 14.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 2.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,179 lbs / 1,442 Kg = 30.9 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 13.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.456
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 63
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   14.44 ft / 4.40 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Stern:      13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.43 ft / 4.40 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,590 Square feet or 1,077 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 79 lbs/sq ft or 383 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.87
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Short Range Radio 10 tons, Four (2x2) 17.7" Torpedoes 4 tons, 76 mines, 10 tons construction reserve

[The Rock Doctor]

Looks okay. 

I agree with Korpen on the AC's speed.  The 28cm version would be worth looking at, too...

[Korpen]

Part of the problem is the Ottomans general lack of cash and all resources.  I can't R&D a new gun and turret so I had to stick with weapons they already have in service.  Also BB/AC tech is limited to hex ships.  The design is a compromise as a result and not the best possible on displacement just the best I can see the Ottomans building.  She is intended a counter to the Italian Gothicus Combat Cruiser and her speed is close 23.1 to 23.2 knots.  I did think about a 280mm design to give her more fire power but that would just result in clone of my own cross deckers so I went with the smaller weapon. 

Was thinking more about the BB Gaulius, and the smaller scout battleships, against whom this ship have a very marginal speed advantage and hugely inferior in firepower and protection.
And considering the year, it is quite clear that several countries are building ship of around 25 kts with 30cm or larger guns.

One should not forget the Russian black sea battleships either, and they got a speed of 23kts as well.

The Austrians don't have an active armored cruiser type in 1910, I doubt the Turks worry much about SMS Budapest.  While I am about to knife them I don't see Iberia as being much on the turks radar, that will change by 1911 at which point I will increase the numbers of TB's being built.

Not the Austrian cruisers I was thinking of, but their 22 and 23kts battleships.

In general the Ottomans just need something that can run around the eastern Med and Black Sea.

That is nice, but it makes very poor sense for a small nation surrounded by huge ones to build ships that risk being noting but gun fodder.

I think they should look into using the 28cm gun at least. In fact, a von der Tann-like ship seems possible at this displacement...

An idea (feel free to throw it out);A design competition! :D
Specify max cost (displacement) and what guns and stuff are available, as well as the tech limits. One final design per player (to avoid drowning in designs ;)) Or in som other way that You think is suitable.

Even if none of them would be selected in the end, it would at least be fun for the rest of us to do some designing with unfamiliar (and therefore interesting) parameters. :)

[Borys]

Korpen has an interesting idea.
Imagine the Turks doing what the Argentianians did in RL.
They collected offers for battleships, picked the best parts (or those of itnerest to them), slapped them together, and asked for detailed proposals :)

Borys

[miketr]

It address most of the issues which I will get to in a minute.

The other large ships to worry about...

The Italian Vitellius class 13,700 tons light
2x3 11" guns, 9" armor and 25.6 knots, on a long narrow hull and pure oil fired boilers
Italia-SBB-1910, Italia Scout Battle Ship, 14,400 tons light
2x3, 1x2 11" guns, 8" armor, 25 knots, on a slightly less long narrow hull and pure oil fired boilers

Juan de Austria, 22,000 tons light
4x2 13.5" guns, 13" armor, 22 knots and mixed fired boilers
SMS Siligia, 27,800 tons light
7x2 12" guns, 12" armor and 23 knots

Imperatritsa Maria Class, 19,600 tons light
4x3 12" guns, 10" armor, 23 knots and oil fired

The above was what was building or in service as of 1910.

The Iberian ships are
Henrique o Navegador Class, 10,000 tons light
4x2 250 mm guns, 8" armor and 20.8 knots
Fernando de Magallanes Class, 15,500 tons light
5x2 250 mm guns, 8" armor and 24.8 knots

The problem is the Ottomans need a newer AC but can't pay much for it and don't have much tech to work with either.  A 25 or 26 knot design is nice but it pushes the size up which is a big deal for a nation with only 9 BP a half to work with.  The result is going to be substandard by default and the logic of its not as good as the possible enemies means the Ottomans build nothing.  In any event it doesn't matter they will live or die by their army.  That is my thoughts at any rate. 

Michael

AC-1910c, Ottoman Empire Armored Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   14,655 t light; 15,325 t standard; 16,041 t normal; 16,613 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   524.93 ft / 524.93 ft x 75.46 ft x 26.25 ft (normal load)
   160.00 m / 160.00 m x 23.00 m  x 8.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 11.02" / 280 mm guns (2x2 guns), 669.80lbs / 303.82kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 11.02" / 280 mm guns (2x2 guns), 669.80lbs / 303.82kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      10 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      10 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 6,518 lbs / 2,956 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 90
   4 - 17.7" / 450 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.2" / 260 mm   314.96 ft / 96.00 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Ends:   5.12" / 130 mm   209.97 ft / 64.00 m   11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   314.96 ft / 96.00 m   10.66 ft / 3.25 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.2" / 260 mm   7.87" / 200 mm      10.2" / 260 mm
   2nd:   10.2" / 260 mm   7.87" / 200 mm      10.2" / 260 mm
   3rd:   3.94" / 100 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 48,000 shp / 35,808 Kw = 25.14 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,287 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   712 - 926

Cost:
   £1.533 million / $6.133 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 815 tons, 5.1 %
   Armour: 5,387 tons, 33.6 %
      - Belts: 2,955 tons, 18.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,526 tons, 9.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 798 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 108 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,400 tons, 15.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,834 tons, 36.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,385 tons, 8.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 220 tons, 1.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16,572 lbs / 7,517 Kg = 24.7 x 11.0 " / 280 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.09
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 16.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.54
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.540
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.96 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.11 ft / 5.22 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,387 Square feet or 2,544 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 145 lbs/sq ft or 708 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.61
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Long Range Radio 25 tons, four 17.7" torpedoes 12 tons (4 tubes and 8 reloads) & 183 tons construction reserve

[Desertfox]

I (NS) was working on an alliance with the Ottomans a long time ago. Part of the deal included tech transfers. You could ask the mods if some of it went trough and work from there.

[miketr]

An update to the mine laying mine cruiser to increase speed to 27.25 knots.

Michael

PC-1910-c, Ottoman Empire  Protected Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   4,000 t light; 4,218 t standard; 4,669 t normal; 5,029 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   426.51 ft / 426.51 ft x 42.65 ft x 18.04 ft (normal load)
   130.00 m / 130.00 m x 13.00 m  x 5.50 m

Armament:
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      8 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 825 lbs / 374 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   4 - 17.7" / 450 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   367.45 ft / 112.00 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 133 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -
   2nd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 0.98" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 32,000 shp / 23,872 Kw = 27.35 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 811 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   282 - 367

Cost:
   £0.450 million / $1.801 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 103 tons, 2.2 %
   Armour: 655 tons, 14.0 %
      - Belts: 355 tons, 7.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 56 tons, 1.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 220 tons, 4.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 24 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1,598 tons, 34.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,582 tons, 33.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 668 tons, 14.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 62 tons, 1.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,926 lbs / 1,327 Kg = 28.4 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
   Metacentric height 1.7 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 13.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.61
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.06

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.498
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.65 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   14.44 ft / 4.40 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Stern:      13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.43 ft / 4.40 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 130.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,096 Square feet or 1,124 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 76 lbs/sq ft or 370 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.54
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Short Range Radio 10 tons, Four (2x2) 17.7" Torpedoes 4 tons, 44 mines, 4 tons construction reserve

[Korpen]

AC-1910c, Ottoman Empire Armored Cruiser laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Frightenly similar to the design i poked around with before i went to bead. :)

And I am going to be so rude and post it anyway.
I did go for slightly less protection, to save weight.
Armour layout: The Deck is split is two, one 30mm deck at weather deck level, resting atop the upper belt, and a 25mm splinter catching deck at the waterline that bends down and meet the bottom of the main belt. The upped deck is non existent over the ends, but the splinter deck increase to 55m for and aft of the citadel. Wing turret barbarettes would not be of uniform thickness, but 17cm on the outboard side, and 23cm in the inboard side (this as a shell hitting them on the outboard side would have to penetrate the upper belt first). All barbarettes have half thickness the last 50cm before meeting the splinter deck, but in return almost double indicated thickness in the parts extending above the weatherdeck.
Main belt extends 2m above, and 1,5m below the waterline at normal loading.

Suliman, Ottoman Buttkicker laid down 1910 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   14 000 t light; 14 683 t standard; 15 702 t normal; 16 518 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   525,20 ft / 525,20 ft x 76,67 ft x 26,25 ft (normal load)
   160,08 m / 160,08 m x 23,37 m  x 8,00 m

Armament:
      4 - 11,02" / 280 mm guns (2x2 guns), 727,53lbs / 330,00kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 11,02" / 280 mm guns (2x2 guns), 727,53lbs / 330,00kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all aft
      10 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 99,21lbs / 45,00kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm guns in single mounts, 11,02lbs / 5,00kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 6 901 lbs / 3 130 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 90
   4 - 17,7" / 450 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9,84" / 250 mm   312,99 ft / 95,40 m   10,66 ft / 3,25 m
   Ends:   3,94" / 100 mm   211,94 ft / 64,60 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Upper:   5,91" / 150 mm   312,99 ft / 95,40 m   9,02 ft / 2,75 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9,84" / 250 mm   6,30" / 160 mm      7,48" / 190 mm
   2nd:   9,84" / 250 mm   5,91" / 150 mm      7,87" / 200 mm
   3rd:   5,91" / 150 mm         -         3,94" / 100 mm
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,16" / 55 mm, Conning tower: 11,02" / 280 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 46 001 shp / 34 316 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 835 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   700 - 911

Cost:
   £1,494 million / $5,974 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 811 tons, 5,2 %
   Armour: 4 967 tons, 31,6 %
      - Belts: 2 484 tons, 15,8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
      - Armament: 1 243 tons, 7,9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 091 tons, 6,9 %
      - Conning Tower: 149 tons, 0,9 %
   Machinery: 2 300 tons, 14,6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5 652 tons, 36,0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 702 tons, 10,8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 270 tons, 1,7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15 986 lbs / 7 251 Kg = 23,9 x 11,0 " / 280 mm shells or 2,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,16
   Metacentric height 4,4 ft / 1,3 m
   Roll period: 15,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,44
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,03

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle
   Block coefficient: 0,520
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,85 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,92 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      19,69 ft / 6,00 m
      - Forecastle (22 %):   18,04 ft / 5,50 m (16,40 ft / 5,00 m aft of break)
      - Mid (35 %):      14,76 ft / 4,50 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   14,76 ft / 4,50 m
      - Stern:      14,76 ft / 4,50 m
      - Average freeboard:   15,74 ft / 4,80 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91,6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 27 327 Square feet or 2 539 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 144 lbs/sq ft or 701 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,57
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

[The Rock Doctor]

Those AC designs look better to me.  They have a margin of speed to avoid battleships, and are equal or better than any AC in the Med.  Austria and Iberia will be challenged to take her down.

[Korpen]

Those AC designs look better to me.  They have a margin of speed to avoid battleships, and are equal or better than any AC in the Med.  Austria and Iberia will be challenged to take her down.

Very true.
I think trying to save some cash on building the 13,3kton version is false economy. The 14kton version offer several times the combat utility for a cost increase that only amounts to a single torpedo boat or two.

Personally, I think it fits them nicely as well, after all, they got two "Nassau" battleships, so why not a "von der Tann"-cruiser?  8)