New Gran Colombian Ships for 1912

The Rock Doctor · April 15, 2008, 06:56:29 AM

The Galeras class minelayers are built to the newest torpedo-boat standards. In time of war, they are intended to lay offensive minefields in enemy waters proximal to Gran Colombia. Seventy mines are carried aft on dual rails aft, essentially precluding embarkment of torpedoes and requiring that the aft guns be superfiring to avoid unpleasant consequences related to blast effects and nearby mines.

Three units are envisaged for 1912, likely to be dispersed between the two fleets rather than operated as a squadron.

An actual torpedo-boat variant of the design is under development but not anticipated for construction in the current year.

Note that the forward gun is not superfiring, as the sim states; it was just easier than splitting the 3" battery into two separate entries. It has no significant effect on the design that I can find.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1909 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   996 t light; 1,026 t standard; 1,176 t normal; 1,296 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   332.30 ft / 328.08 ft x 30.84 ft x 10.17 ft (normal load)
   101.29 m / 100.00 m x 9.40 m x 3.10 m

Armament:
3 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, majority aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
1 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading anti-airship gun in deck mount
     on centreline aft, 1 raised gun
2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 49 lbs / 22 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm     -         0.98" / 25 mm
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm     -           -
   3rd:   0.39" / 10 mm     -           -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 24,000 shp / 17,904 Kw = 30.98 kts
   Range 6,800nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 269 tons) (~10 hrs @ flank speed)

Complement:
   99 - 130

Cost:
   £0.128 million / $0.511 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 6 tons, 0.5 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 0.5 %
     - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Armament: 6 tons, 0.5 %
     - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 626 tons, 53.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 278 tons, 23.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 180 tons, 15.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 79 tons, 6.7 %
-70 t: Rails for seventy mines
-5 t: Short-range wireless
-4 t: Weight reserve

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     256 lbs / 116 Kg = 19.0 x 3.0 " / 76 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 1.2 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 11.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.12
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.84

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.400
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.64 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 83
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
     - Stem:      15.75 ft / 4.80 m
     - Forecastle (20 %):   15.75 ft / 4.80 m
     - Mid (40 %):      15.75 ft / 4.80 m (7.87 ft / 2.40 m aft of break)
     - Quarterdeck (15 %):   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     - Stern:      7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     - Average freeboard:   11.02 ft / 3.36 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 183.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 6,228 Square feet or 579 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 57 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 26 lbs/sq ft or 128 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 0.86
      - Overall: 0.52
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

The Rock Doctor · April 19, 2008, 05:26:45 PM

Gran Colombia will be laying down two battleships of the Furioso class in 1912. They are somewhat larger than the Triunfante class, and will carry Dutch-manufactured 35 cm guns as the main battery. A model with five triple 305 mm guns had been considered as an alternative, but it was considered less attractive at a time when other navies are introducing 35 and even 38 cm guns on their own capital ships.

When completed in late 1914, the class will replace the old Poderoso class pre-dreadnoughts in service.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1909 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   25,482 t light; 26,898 t standard; 28,420 t normal; 29,637 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   592.90 ft / 590.55 ft x 98.43 ft x 26.74 ft (normal load)
   180.72 m / 180.00 m x 30.00 m x 8.15 m

Armament:
10 - 13.78" / 350 mm guns (5x2 guns), 1,322.77lbs / 600.00kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
20 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all forward
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.17lbs / 1.44kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
6 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 14,944 lbs / 6,779 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   196.82 ft / 59.99 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Upper:   5.51" / 140 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.38" / 35 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   25.59 ft / 7.80 m

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   7.87" / 200 mm      12.6" / 320 mm
   2nd:   5.91" / 150 mm     -         5.91" / 150 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm     -           -
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm     -           -

- Armour deck: 2.76" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 12.99" / 330 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 35,000 shp / 26,110 Kw = 21.05 kts
   Range 9,800nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 2,739 tons)

Complement:
   1,093 - 1,422

Cost:
   £2.641 million / $10.564 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,850 tons, 6.5 %
   Armour: 10,803 tons, 38.0 %
     - Belts: 4,090 tons, 14.4 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 514 tons, 1.8 %
     - Armament: 3,689 tons, 13.0 %
     - Armour Deck: 2,249 tons, 7.9 %
     - Conning Tower: 261 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,396 tons, 4.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,986 tons, 38.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,938 tons, 10.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 447 tons, 1.6 %
-250 t: Fire control
-50 t: Long range wireless, short range wireless, and extra signal flag facilities
-25 t: Flag facilities
-25 t: Extra pumps and generators for damage control
-25 t: "Sehendes Auge"
-6 t: Machine guns (not allocated for in the SS report)
-66 t: Weight Reserve

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     32,989 lbs / 14,964 Kg = 25.2 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 4.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
   Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 17.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.73
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.46

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.30 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -3.28 ft / -1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
     - Stem:      26.90 ft / 8.20 m
     - Forecastle (20 %):   24.28 ft / 7.40 m
     - Mid (50 %):      24.28 ft / 7.40 m (16.40 ft / 5.00 m aft of break)
     - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
     - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
     - Average freeboard:   20.55 ft / 6.26 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 154.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 44,120 Square feet or 4,099 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 186 lbs/sq ft or 907 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.51
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Borys · April 19, 2008, 05:38:22 PM

Impressive!

Valles · April 19, 2008, 06:07:03 PM

Daaaaamn. If that's not the nastiest thing I've seen really planned for Navalism's oceans, then it's sure as heck in the top five.

The Rock Doctor · April 19, 2008, 07:14:06 PM

Glad you like her. I think there are a few ships as nasty, but I'll settle for top five.

Note that I've just edited in a new SS report. I had to adjust the belt length so that the ends were fully armored and so that the main belt extended from "A" to "Y" turrets as I've drawn the ship.

Korpen · April 20, 2008, 09:08:47 AM

Quote from: The Rock Doctor on April 19, 2008, 05:26:45 PM
Gran Colombia will be laying down two battleships of the Furioso class in 1912. They are somewhat larger than the Triunfante class, and will carry Dutch-manufactured 35 cm guns as the main battery. A model with five triple 305 mm guns had been considered as an alternative, but it was considered less attractive at a time when other navies are introducing 35 and even 38 cm guns on their own capital ships.

When completed in late 1914, the class will replace the old Poderoso class pre-dreadnoughts in service.

I like her very much, and my own plans for battleships will be very similar. But then considering her first-rate, high-quality, accurate and hard hitting main battery the design could not fail to be excellent. 8)

Jefgte · April 20, 2008, 03:32:27 PM

Nice drawing

Powerfull BB with:
"broadside 14,944 lbs / 6,779 kg"
"Survivability 32,989 lbs / 14,964 Kg"

I hope to see them in the Pacific & visite them when they are amicaly at anchor in Callao.
:D :D :D

Jef ;)

The Rock Doctor · April 20, 2008, 05:02:31 PM

They'll be sure to pay a visit.

Glad you like the drawing. I found the superstructure a little modernish, and despite suggestions from a couple of folks, never managed to improve on it to my liking.

Carthaginian · April 25, 2008, 02:58:01 PM

I find them- aside from being able to thrash my Oklahoma class- utterly beautiful. The superstructure isn't too advanced, and the firepower is downright awesome.

The Rock Doctor · April 25, 2008, 07:39:10 PM

Thank you very much.

It's not like I want them to end up shooting at the Oklahomas - but they - and Superbe, and the Rohirrim battleships - do require a response.

The Rock Doctor · May 06, 2008, 08:33:18 PM

At President Alizandro's insistence, and to the Armada's annoyance (since it's coming out of their budget), Gran Colombia will be laying down a new presidential yacht for the use of the head of state.

Libertad is equipped to provide for luxurious transportation of the First Family, a guest and his family, and a modest number of aides and staff (seventy). There is a range of luxuries, ranging from a library to a swimming pool. The fittings are to be quite ornate and will include originals by a number of Gran Colombian artists; consequently, the ship is expected to be considerably more expensive than a modern protected cruiser.

The yacht is not armed for surface action; the machine guns are for security, but the 47mm guns are saluting pieces only. President Alizandro believes that it should not be necessary for the yacht to be armed in peacetime - and in a scenario where irregular forces might be at work, such as the pirates of Mesoamerica, a dedicated military escort would accompany the yacht.

In wartime, it is expected that the yacht would function as a hospital or casualty evacuation ship. The Presidential and Libertador Suites would be converted to operating theatres, the dining/conference room to a ward, and the smaller cabins would be utilized as required. This is not just a matter of making the most of the yacht; President Alizandro also reckons that the donation of the presidential yacht for this purpose would help his stature amongst the common military man, plus the yacht would be relatively safe in this protected non-combat role.

Libertad, laid down 1912

Displacement:
   3,162 t light; 3,238 t standard; 3,746 t normal; 4,153 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   374.14 ft / 360.89 ft x 49.21 ft x 14.76 ft (normal load)
   114.04 m / 110.00 m x 15.00 m x 4.50 m

Armament:
2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.17lbs / 1.44kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1912 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm     32.81 ft / 10.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m

- Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20,000 shp / 14,920 Kw = 24.48 kts
   Range 12,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 915 tons)

Complement:
   239 - 311

Cost:
   £0.223 million / $0.892 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 115 tons, 3.1 %
     - Belts: 94 tons, 2.5 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Conning Tower: 20 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 797 tons, 21.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,480 tons, 39.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 584 tons, 15.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 769 tons, 20.5 %
-200 t: Presidential & Libertador Suites
-100 t: Twenty Entourage Cabins
-150 t: Berthing for fifty staff (aides, servants, security, chefs, etc)
-100 t: Conference/dining hall, lounge, and library
-50 t: Swimming pool
-50 t: Office space
-40 t: Two steam launches and derricks
-30 t: Cargo
-25 t: Long-range wireless
-24 t: Weight reserve

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6,570 lbs / 2,980 Kg = 2,074.1 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
   Metacentric height 2.1 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 14.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.500
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.33 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
     - Stem:      24.93 ft / 7.60 m
     - Forecastle (20 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
     - Mid (50 %):      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
     - Quarterdeck (15 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
     - Stern:      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
     - Average freeboard:   23.12 ft / 7.05 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 92.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 216.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,833 Square feet or 1,099 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 151 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 304 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.82
      - Longitudinal: 5.78
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

The Rock Doctor · May 09, 2008, 06:27:03 AM

Since there is much talk of destroyers, I'll post the GC design for H2/12. Seakeeping is certainly not great, but the other features are satisfactory.

Of note, the class will be the first to mount depth charges, a dozen being reckoned as more than enough to sink a submarine. However, you won't see them in the drawing.

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1909 (Engine 1912)

Displacement:
   1,000 t light; 1,038 t standard; 1,189 t normal; 1,309 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   332.30 ft / 328.08 ft x 31.17 ft x 10.17 ft (normal load)
   101.29 m / 100.00 m x 9.50 m x 3.10 m

Armament:
3 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 30.51lbs / 13.84kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, majority aft, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
1 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm guns in single mounts, 8.38lbs / 3.80kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading anti-airship gun in deck mount
     on centreline aft, 1 raised gun
2 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1909 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 100 lbs / 45 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   6 - 21.0" / 533 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm     -         0.98" / 25 mm
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm     -           -
   3rd:   0.39" / 10 mm     -           -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 24,000 shp / 17,904 Kw = 30.92 kts
   Range 6,800nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 271 tons)

Complement:
   100 - 131

Cost:
   £0.134 million / $0.535 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 12 tons, 1.1 %
   Armour: 8 tons, 0.7 %
     - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Armament: 8 tons, 0.7 %
     - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 630 tons, 53.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 315 tons, 26.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 189 tons, 15.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 34 tons, 2.9 %
-14 t: Weight reserve
-10 t: Wireless
-6 t: Torpedos
-4 t: 2x6 250 kg depth charges on rails aft

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     319 lbs / 145 Kg = 10.5 x 3.9 " / 100 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.49
   Metacentric height 1.7 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 10.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.17
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.93

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.400
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.53 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
     - Stem:      15.75 ft / 4.80 m
     - Forecastle (20 %):   15.75 ft / 4.80 m
     - Mid (50 %):      15.75 ft / 4.80 m (7.87 ft / 2.40 m aft of break)
     - Quarterdeck (15 %):   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     - Stern:      7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     - Average freeboard:   11.81 ft / 3.60 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 182.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 6,295 Square feet or 585 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 58 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 139 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.08
      - Overall: 0.54
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

BC Renown · May 20, 2008, 02:49:24 PM

How about this alternative aft turret arrangement? The #4 turret would have clear aft firing arcs at longer ranges.

Borys · May 20, 2008, 03:00:12 PM

Ahoj!
IIRC there was a lag between introduction of superfiring and actual capacity to fire above the lower turret

Also, something SS does nto take into ccount, but which the piccies show nicely - dumping the lovely L-H-L pyramid for the H-L-L arrangement makes the citadel longer.

Borys

Korpen · May 20, 2008, 03:04:43 PM

Quote from: Borys on May 20, 2008, 03:00:12 PM
Also, something SS does nto take into ccount, but which the piccies show nicely - dumping the lovely L-H-L pyramid for the H-L-L arrangement makes the citadel longer.

That was my first impression as well, but after comparing with the original, I do not think that is the case (the aft turret have not been moved).

But I must say i prefere the original look... ;)