Kingdom cost defence ship.

[Blooded]

It will not fit... It will not fit.... It will not fit....

There... I have had My 'will not fit' Fit TM



The reason I mentioned ships boats is that in the case of your latest dred, anywhere they are placed will interfere with the firing arcs of the main guns. You would need some sort of flying bridge/deck to handle those items. Not to mention that the forward wing turret does not have the clearance needed to fire to the opposite side already.

The reason I threw the arkansas monitor in was to show what .7ish BCs will look like(similar to your King Leopold I class- with a less fine bow. Very slabsided. I have been messing with arkansas(among others) to try and get 2 twin 12" guns. It is around this size, and IMO pushing it(with 6x 4" secondaries).

It is so overcrowded that any hit is going to take out something important or several somethings, if not lead to direct catastrophe. She is shorter than most new destroyers. The turrets/guns make up 50% of her length, the superstructure should be about the same.

I can post it on the other discussion boards If you like, to see what they would say.

That being said, I love the idea and cost, I have been searching for the minimum size for a twin 14", if this is allowed, you can expect the UNK to purchase plans and build 20 of them.  ;)

[Korpen]

It will not fit... It will not fit.... It will not fit....

There... I have had My 'will not fit' Fit TM



The reason I mentioned ships boats is that in the case of your latest dred, anywhere they are placed will interfere with the firing arcs of the main guns. You would need some sort of flying bridge/deck to handle those items. Not to mention that the forward wing turret does not have the clearance needed to fire to the opposite side already.

It clears the aft funnel, not by a lot, but it pass.

Boat arrangement can be similar to the Kaiser class.

The reason I threw the arkansas monitor in was to show what .7ish BCs will look like(similar to your King Leopold I class- with a less fine bow. Very slabsided. I have been messing with arkansas(among others) to try and get 2 twin 12" guns. It is around this size, and IMO pushing it(with 6x 4" secondaries).

It is so overcrowded that any hit is going to take out something important or several somethings, if not lead to direct catastrophe. She is shorter than most new destroyers. The turrets/guns make up 50% of her length, the superstructure should be about the same.

The turrets and guns does not take up 50% of her deckspace, each barbarette is only about 10m wide/long. She is very compact, that i happily admit, but going by the ark drawing, I see no real problems deckspace wise.

That being said, I love the idea and cost, I have been searching for the minimum size for a twin 14", if this is allowed, you can expect the UNK to purchase plans and build 20 of them.  ;)

Do you mean minimum of the ship, or of the turrets themself?

[Sachmle]

Oh, no!!!!!! Pac-man is attacking the Dutch Navy!!!!!!!!  :D ;D :D ;D

[Ithekro]

Well his is related to Swiss.

[Blooded]

Hello again,

Pac attack.. lol. You are correct on the turret, it will apparently squeek by.

The turrets with guns should be in the 70'-75' range. x2= 140-150' thus approximately 50% of her 275' length.

I was searching for the minimum tonnage necessary for a ship to be combat effective with two twin 14" turrets. 12Ktons seemed a realistic limit. This design cut that in half, though its armor is not as high as I would like. Its slow but quite suitable for its intended purpose. My congrats, your ability at using Springsharp is far better than mine.

Anyway... I will refrain from further comment on other players vessels. It seems pointless. I will rely on others with more experience to comment if they so choose.

[Korpen]

Hello again,

Pac attack.. lol. You are correct on the turret, it will apparently squeek by.
The turrets with guns should be in the 70'-75' range. x2= 140-150' thus approximately 50% of her 275' length.

70-75 foot, that is around 25m? Sure if one counts the barrels, then yes they are almost that long. But the barrels do not really eat up any space either above or below the deck. I have a feeling i am missing you point here?

I was searching for the minimum tonnage necessary for a ship to be combat effective with two twin 14" turrets. 12Ktons seemed a realistic limit. This design cut that in half, though its armor is not as high as I would like. Its slow but quite suitable for its intended purpose. My congrats, your ability at using Springsharp is far better than mine.

My design is a highly specialised ship; in fact it is basically a pair of turrets with a ship built around them. :)
12kton is more realistic if one is looking for a more well balanced ship.

Anyway... I will refrain from further comment on other players vessels. It seems pointless. I will rely on others with more experience to comment if they so choose.

I really hope you reconsider that comment. While I might sound defensive, I truly appriciate the feedback. I might not agree with the comment all the time, I do enjoy defending my design choices. In fact the harsher the criticism, the more i enjoy it! :)
So please, do not stop, it is not pointless! (even if your view is discharged, it is taken under carfull consideration)

[Blooded]

Hello,

Thanks Korpen, but I should probably keep my mouth zipped. My History with Naval Forces is Limited and relatively short. My interests have always been land and Air forces, especially WW2 with a focus on the Russian Front. It was not until 'War in the Pacific' came out(Matrix Games-4 or so years ago?) that I really started enjoying the study of Naval vessels.

I just don't know enough about Naval construction to write with authority. I know it doesn't 'feel' right but I can't justify it well enough. I am learning- Norman Friedmans books are fantastic- I wish I could locate his cruiser or DD books. My Father has the CV book and I am wearing out the Library copy of the BB book. Unfortunately they are only on US Vessels. Any others to recommend?

When we get into the later(1930) Tanks and Aircraft(or better yet Logistics) I'll do better. Hopefully you folks will have educated me on the Naval aspect by then.

[The Rock Doctor]

I agree with Korpen - keep questioning.  Even if your knowledge is limited, you can gain knowledge (or at least, opinions) from those who answer your questions.

[Korpen]

Java, The Kingdom CDS laid down 1911 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   6 000 t light; 6 643 t standard; 7 926 t normal; 8 952 t full load

Quoting myself, that is a first...

This design is for sale to interested countries for the bargain sum of only €4,5.
Guns and engines will be supplied with the drawings, so add only steel to get a CDB of your own! (The cost to complete the ship would then be 4,9 BP and 3,8€)