Maybe sorta likely?

[Valles]

Cross Mirage, Maori Battleship Concept laid down 1912

Displacement:
   33,283 t light; 34,857 t standard; 38,848 t normal; 42,041 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   663.61 ft / 656.17 ft x 98.43 ft x 29.53 ft (normal load)
   202.27 m / 200.00 m x 30.00 m  x 9.00 m

Armament:
      15 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns (5x3 guns), 823.82lbs / 373.68kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
      12 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
      32 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread, 16 raised mounts - superfiring
     16 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 14,005 lbs / 6,353 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15.7" / 400 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   7.87" / 200 mm   262.43 ft / 79.99 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   656.17 ft / 200.00 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.36" / 60 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   31.99 ft / 9.75 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.8" / 350 mm   7.87" / 200 mm      13.8" / 350 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm         -               -
   3rd:   3.94" / 100 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.94" / 100 mm, Conning tower: 15.75" / 400 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 34,354 shp / 25,628 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 10,500nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 7,184 tons

Complement:
   1,383 - 1,798

Cost:
   £2.827 million / $11.309 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,751 tons, 4.5 %
   Armour: 16,298 tons, 42.0 %
      - Belts: 6,797 tons, 17.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1,101 tons, 2.8 %
      - Armament: 4,197 tons, 10.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 3,814 tons, 9.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 389 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 1,370 tons, 3.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 13,290 tons, 34.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,565 tons, 14.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 575 tons, 1.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     80,512 lbs / 36,519 Kg = 97.7 x 11.8 " / 300 mm shells or 15.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 5.9 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 17.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.62

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.713
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.67 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 25.62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      26.25 ft / 8.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Stern:      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   23.23 ft / 7.08 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 60.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 165.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 52,367 Square feet or 4,865 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 184 lbs/sq ft or 898 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.00
      - Longitudinal: 1.46
      - Overall: 1.04
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

300 tons assorted random weights
250 tons battleship fire control
25 tons long-range wireless

[Korpen]

Just curious about the gigantism that seems to affect the Maori navy?
I mean you last battleships used up every single scrap of your building capacity for at least four years, and this is pretty much more of the same.

[Valles]

Just curious about the gigantism that seems to affect the Maori navy?
I mean you last battleships used up every single scrap of your building capacity for at least four years, and this is pretty much more of the same.

Call it planning for the future. The clear intention of many of the navies in the world is to move on to progressively larger main guns; 14 inch or more. These, in turn, require larger ships to carry. The Maori regard it as inevitable that 'normal' battleships across the planet will eventually be built to scales at least twice that of the current designs in service with other nations. By building ships with the tonnage to support heavy weapons now, they avoid the threat of being left behind militarily due to their relatively limited heavy industry.

Also, there's a distinct element of 'Hang the cost and do the best you can' in their thinking on all fronts.

[Korpen]

Just curious about the gigantism that seems to affect the Maori navy?
I mean you last battleships used up every single scrap of your building capacity for at least four years, and this is pretty much more of the same.

Call it planning for the future. The clear intention of many of the navies in the world is to move on to progressively larger main guns; 14 inch or more. These, in turn, require larger ships to carry. The Maori regard it as inevitable that 'normal' battleships across the planet will eventually be built to scales at least twice that of the current designs in service with other nations. By building ships with the tonnage to support heavy weapons now, they avoid the threat of being left behind militarily due to their relatively limited heavy industry.

Also, there's a distinct element of 'Hang the cost and do the best you can' in their thinking on all fronts.

You are not worried that the opposite might happen; that as technology progresses you will be left with obsolete giants that yor limited industry cannot afford to upgrade or replace (about the same cost)?

[Valles]

You are not worried that the opposite might happen; that as technology progresses you will be left with obsolete giants that yor limited industry cannot afford to upgrade or replace (about the same cost)?

No, not really. The Maori have what might be the very best - and is certainly not less than the second or third best - intelligence service in the world. They're quite confident in their predictions of the world's design practices, since no real (ie, budgeted) effort to hide such has been made by most of the world's powers.

The triple-30cms are designed from the get-go to be swappable with something sturdier, like a twin 35 or 40cm, and there's reserve strength for changes to the secondary armaments. More refined versions would have heavier deck armor as more of the world begins to match the Maori's long-range fire control techniques, probably ultimately 200mm in the built version. Graduated armor schemes stuck around in the real world for quite a long while; lacking AON protection wouldn't be crippling, especially for a ship designed to be so heavily armored as the Maori like. All in all, I'd judge that they'd be relatively simple to keep useful until battlefield nukes become a reality.

Or are you talking about the engines? Speed is waste, remember.

[Desertfox]

I just find it interesting that the Maoris have the EXACT opposite POV of NS when it comes to building ships!!!

Maori: Cost? Make her bigger!
Swiss: Can you stuff her into a smaller ship?

Maori: Speed is waste
Swiss: Speed is Life

Maori: More armor, I said more!
Swiss: Do we even need it?

Well maybe in armament ideas are similar (especially secondaries) but that's about it.

[Valles]

I just find it interesting that the Maoris have the EXACT opposite POV of NS when it comes to building ships!

I'd noticed that myself, yeah. I imagine that the performance of the Maori Navy in their next war will be the subject of intense interest from the world's military theorists, given the contrasting data point that'll give with the Swiss's performance during the Pacific War.

[P3D]

Triple 300mm should have around the same weight as a twin 350mm.

If you want to reserve weight, e.g. for a future triple 14" gun, I suggest to sim the ship with them, and note that the ships are built with 12" guns at first. When you have 14" guns, rebuild her changing guns, hoists and modifying magazine spaces.

And the Maories as far as i know should not have any edge in fire control techniques over e.g. Austria and especially the Netherlands.

20kts speed will become a problem when people will start fielding 30+kts light cruisers in greater numbers that would shrug off 3" shells.

[Valles]

When the time comes that there are armored destroyers (whatever their builders actually call them) out in force, I plan to have the technology to, one, replace CM's secondary outfit, and two, throw a lot more shells per tube.

Regardless, I wasn't aware that there was any other nation in the world who'd managed to get fire control tech working by 1910.

[P3D]

Armoring destroyers against 6" cruiser armament is impossible.

[Valles]

If one defines a destroyer as a relatively small seagoing vessel intended to carry torpedoes as its primary offensive armament, and if it has armor vs. 3" guns, then QED, right? ^_^