New Gran Colombian Ships for 1911

[Korpen]

...oh, yes, and:
i]Warrior[/i] and Matador are follow-ups to the armored cruiser Luchador.  Apart from improved horizontal protection and speed, they are also designed to incorporate centralized fire control and an experimental Huelsmeyer device.

Warrior, laid down 1911 (Engine 1912)

Tricky ship to evaluate:
Her protection is very good for s hip of her type, maybe even a bit over the top.
Her speed is what can be expected of a ship like her, more would be nice, less would be useless.
Her firepower is adequate, but not impressive.
In short she is a very solid ship. While unimpressive in any single aspect, she have a solid balance; i think i would consider her as a baseline ship for comparison among ships of her class. :)

[The Rock Doctor]

Since other folks have already built 12" BCs, I think it's logical for GC to design its BCs to be armored against 12" fire.

35 cm guns were an option, but I'd either end up with six guns or a larger, more expensive vessel.  I decided the 12" compromise was, on the whole, better in this case.

I could get up to 27.5 knots by shaving down the deck armor, but reckoned the additional armor was more important.

Overall, a "solid" ship is fine with me!

[Valles]

I don't think I'd call her a battlecruiser at all; she lacks the foolish fragility that's the defining trait of the type. A good fast battleship on less tonnage than I'd've believed possible, and pretty besides. Well done.

[The Rock Doctor]

Thanks.  She's actually a bit more pretty and modern-looking than I want, but I'll take it.  If I'd had room for five funnels, I'd probably had done that.

Sorry, I spoke out of place there - Gran Colombia thinks of these as armored cruisers, as they're defined.  More a historical German-style BC than a historical British-style BC.

[Korpen]

Gran Colombia might be looking for a more pious design:
The four turrets atop the chapels are to be named for the four apostles. The three engine plants and funnels are a reminder of the holy trinity. The ten 14cm guns in the hull is a symbol of the ten commandments.
Compared to a more conventional design the ship have less firepower on the broadside, but more over the stern and bow. The main battery is arranged four abreast in two levels.


Cristo Redentor, Gran colombia Salvation Navy laid down 1912

Displacement:
   22 700 t light; 23 842 t standard; 25 285 t normal; 26 439 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   623,36 ft / 623,36 ft x 85,30 ft x 27,56 ft (normal load)
   190,00 m / 190,00 m x 26,00 m  x 8,40 m

Armament:
      16 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns in single mounts, 865,70lbs / 392,68kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 8 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83,72lbs / 37,98kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turrets
     on side, all amidships
      10 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83,72lbs / 37,98kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm guns in single mounts, 3,17lbs / 1,44kg shells, 1912 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 15 049 lbs / 6 826 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 75

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   492,13 ft / 150,00 m   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
   Ends:   2,95" / 75 mm   131,23 ft / 40,00 m   10,86 ft / 3,31 m
   Upper:   5,51" / 140 mm   492,13 ft / 150,00 m   14,76 ft / 4,50 m
     Main Belt covers 121 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,57" / 40 mm   492,13 ft / 150,00 m   25,10 ft / 7,65 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   11,8" / 300 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   5,51" / 140 mm   5,51" / 140 mm            -
   3rd:   3,94" / 100 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1,97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 9,84" / 250 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 69 620 shp / 51 937 Kw = 26,00 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 597 tons

Complement:
   1 002 - 1 303

Cost:
   £2,763 million / $11,053 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 881 tons, 7,4 %
   Armour: 9 462 tons, 37,4 %
      - Belts: 4 984 tons, 19,7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 720 tons, 2,8 %
      - Armament: 2 154 tons, 8,5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 421 tons, 5,6 %
      - Conning Tower: 183 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 2 776 tons, 11,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 8 231 tons, 32,6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 585 tons, 10,2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1,4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     29 910 lbs / 13 567 Kg = 34,6 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 3,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,29
   Metacentric height 6,2 ft / 1,9 m
   Roll period: 14,4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,59
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,27

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0,604
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,31 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24,97 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   13,12 ft / 4,00 m (21,00 ft / 6,40 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Quarterdeck (10 %):   13,12 ft / 4,00 m (21,00 ft / 6,40 m before break)
      - Stern:      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,23 ft / 5,86 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120,1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155,8 %
   Waterplane Area: 39 032 Square feet or 3 626 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 83 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 148 lbs/sq ft or 724 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,42
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[The Rock Doctor]

That's almost too cool for words.  Just shooting at such a ship would be blasphemous.

[P3D]

Korpen,

I'd get some extra armor on the casemates, you have like only 4m length armored for each big gun.

[Korpen]

Korpen,

I'd get some extra armor on the casemates, you have like only 4m length armored for each big gun.

Which of the casemettes? And explain further what you mean? As if i am not mistaken, the transerse bulkheads is the ones most affecting the gun.
Strictly speaking, i think all of the big guns are above the belts...

I see i had forgotten to draw in the casemettes in the hull, nor have i put any real effort in calculating how high the belts should be (as it is i think the upper belt is longer then the raised freebord, scale of drawing is 1pixel = ~25cm).

That's almost too cool for words.  Just shooting at such a ship would be blasphemous.

If you convince yor enemy that, she is a sure winner! :)
At least as longs as they are not heritics, heathern or balsphmours... :)

[P3D]

Which of the casemettes? And explain further what you mean? As if i am not mistaken, the transerse bulkheads is the ones most affecting the gun.
Strictly speaking, i think all of the big guns are above the belts...

I just calculated how much coverage that 300mm armor would be over the main battery - not enough IMO.
I'd move two guns on each level a bit forward-Aft so they'd be able to fire abeam. Only if you want to bother with the design, ofc. ;)

If you convince yor enemy that, she is a sure winner! :)
At least as longs as they are not heritics, heathern or balsphmours... :)

Hm, that list includes about three times the BP GC currently has.

[The Rock Doctor]

If you convince yor enemy that, she is a sure winner!
At least as longs as they are not heritics, heathern or balsphmours...

Well, I assume that's why this ship is armed and armored.

Hm, that list includes about three times the BP GC currently has.

...for now.  Soon it'll get better.  Or worse.

[Ithekro]

What in the world is that?

[Sachmle]

What in the world is that?

The Nverse Pope-mobile, on water?

[P3D]

What in the world is that?

The Nverse Pope-mobile, on water?

Nah, it's too big to steam to Avignon on the Rhone river.

[The Rock Doctor]

I didn't appreciate that this was a battlecruiser, rather than a battleship. 

Now the question is how this might be afforded...

[Blooded]

Hello,

Now that is an 'inspired' design(sorry couldn't help it)  ;D

We need an award for most creative warship, that is just awesome. Reminds me of Warhammer. Thanks for the presentation.