New Gran Colombian Ships for 1911

[Carthaginian]

Now the question is how this might be afforded...

Papal grant?

[The Rock Doctor]

Maybe.  You'd think that after ~1,900 years the Church would have enough money on hand to build a battlecruiser battle-cathedral large ship.

[Korpen]

Hello,

Now that is an 'inspired' design(sorry couldn't help it)  ;D

We need an award for most creative warship, that is just awesome. Reminds me of Warhammer. Thanks for the presentation.

...and that is no coincedence... :)

I didn't appreciate that this was a battlecruiser, rather than a battleship. 

Now the question is how this might be afforded...

As a general purpose ship, I think she would be batter as a Battleship and about 20m shorter and 2kts slower.
The shortening would allow for a more coherent and imposing superstructure, as well as a better protected one as it allows for the upper belt to extend over one more deck, and increase thickness to 16cm.

Another option would be to increase the size of the guns to 35cm and reduce them to twelve, as a symbol of the twelve disciples.

[The Rock Doctor]

Or just 12 x 12", as a way of hammering home that symbolism.

[Korpen]

Or just 12 x 12", as a way of hammering home that symbolism.

Something like this?



Green = Height and length of main belt
Yellow = End belt
Red = Upper belt

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1912

Displacement:
   21 057 t light; 22 184 t standard; 23 536 t normal; 24 618 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557,74 ft / 557,74 ft x 88,58 ft x 27,56 ft (normal load)
   170,00 m / 170,00 m x 27,00 m  x 8,40 m

Armament:
      12 - 12,01" / 305 mm guns in single mounts, 865,70lbs / 392,67kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 6 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83,72lbs / 37,97kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turrets
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts
      10 - 5,51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83,72lbs / 37,97kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     10 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 1,85" / 47,0 mm guns in single mounts, 3,17lbs / 1,44kg shells, 1912 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 11 586 lbs / 5 255 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   410,11 ft / 125,00 m   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
   Ends:   2,95" / 75 mm   147,64 ft / 45,00 m   13,12 ft / 4,00 m
   Upper:   7,48" / 190 mm   410,11 ft / 125,00 m   21,00 ft / 6,40 m
     Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1,57" / 40 mm   410,11 ft / 125,00 m   25,10 ft / 7,65 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   11,8" / 300 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   5,51" / 140 mm   5,51" / 140 mm            -
   3rd:   6,30" / 160 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2,13" / 54 mm, Conning tower: 9,84" / 250 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 51 529 shp / 38 441 Kw = 24,00 kts
   Range 10 000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 434 tons

Complement:
   949 - 1 235

Cost:
   £2,241 million / $8,965 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 448 tons, 6,2 %
   Armour: 9 786 tons, 41,6 %
      - Belts: 5 668 tons, 24,1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 600 tons, 2,5 %
      - Armament: 1 916 tons, 8,1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1 428 tons, 6,1 %
      - Conning Tower: 174 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 2 055 tons, 8,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7 418 tons, 31,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 479 tons, 10,5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1,5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     32 884 lbs / 14 916 Kg = 38,0 x 12,0 " / 305 mm shells or 5,0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,23
   Metacentric height 6,1 ft / 1,9 m
   Roll period: 15,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,48
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,32

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0,605
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,30 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23,62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   13,12 ft / 4,00 m (21,00 ft / 6,40 m aft of break)
      - Mid (50 %):      21,00 ft / 6,40 m
      - Quarterdeck (10 %):   13,12 ft / 4,00 m (21,00 ft / 6,40 m before break)
      - Stern:      13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Average freeboard:   19,23 ft / 5,86 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98,7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 153,0 %
   Waterplane Area: 36 304 Square feet or 3 373 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 146 lbs/sq ft or 713 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,95
      - Longitudinal: 1,68
      - Overall: 1,00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily



Speed lowered two knots, she will now fit in a type 2 dock. the upper belt now encloses the lower row of guns.

And the rangefinders mounted between the 14cm turrets could look something like this:

[Desertfox]

Just shooting at such a ship would be blasphemous.

Course for some, NOT shooting this floating blasphemy, would be sacrilege in itself! ;D

We need an award for most creative warship, that is just awesome.

Noooo!!!Don`t let Walter hear you! You don`t want to see what he is capable of.

[Blooded]

Hello,

If this ship is to become a reality, I would recommend making the superstructure more of a half octagon with the main battery located at the points. You could then fire to sides a bit. I suppose the side casemates would be wing mounted(maybe SS3 could show that-although the barrels might get close to the water in bad weather)?

Also for 'Warhammer' style decor I would increase Misc. Weight by a few hundred tons(to account for the gothic styling).

She is not practical but certainly fun... I love the 'Warhammer' universe.

I would enjoy seeing Walters fun creations. Maybe we could see the League of Extraordinary Gents 'Nautilus'.

Thanks for the new twist Korpen. It has livened up the forum.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
Lovely!
I will poke around for some Battlefleet Gothic (space)ships.
There was a Sisters of Battle (battle nuns, to those not versed in Warhamer 40K lore) battleship I once saw ...
http://us.games-workshop.com/games/bfg/hobby/modelling/sob/dominica.htm
Borys